Air-water heat pump combined with underfloor heating does not work properly

  • Erstellt am 2021-09-22 15:34:26

guckuck2

2021-09-22 18:01:55
  • #1
It is indeed confusing when the room controllers are labeled in degrees Celsius. Such a system cannot provide that at all. I think that is already the fundamental misunderstanding.
 

_Ugeen_

2021-09-22 19:49:24
  • #2


So, does that mean I cannot individually control the temperature of every room? If that’s the case, I find that very bad. What use are temperature controllers in every room then? And why did it work that way in our apartment? Could it possibly be due to the connected district heating?
We have towel radiators with heating cartridges that are plugged into the socket. However, I also don’t find it really good to compensate with that. I do wonder whether this investment was a total wrong decision.


You are right regarding the apartment. It worked there because district heating was connected?
Regarding the emergency brake, however, I also could not detect it when the desired room temperature was set to 23 degrees. Although the temperature controller indicated no heating, we had between 22-23 degrees with the window open, meaning the underfloor heating was still active, even though we had not set it.



Unfortunately, no one explained that to us. However, the analog controllers also show the degree numbers. We also had that in the apartment.
 

Tolentino

2021-09-22 21:25:44
  • #3

No, but firstly not by more than 2-3 degrees difference, secondly always only with efficiency loss, because adjacent rooms that have a higher desired temperature heat the other room as well.
Secondly, with an efficient system, you do not change the desired temperature daily on a (poor) control, but rather design the heating system for the desired temperature from the start. This also includes, on one hand, determining the volume flow and the installation spacing at a predefined flow temperature, which should be kept as low as possible.


Your construction company or heating installer simply gave you poor advice or just did the bare minimum.


Nothing, but they are legally required, and exemption seems complicated and unlikely, though possible (according to reports here in the forum).
Ultimately, the recommendation here is to either ignore the ERR (individual room control) (set permanently to maximum), or even deactivate it by unscrewing or disconnecting the actuators at the heating circuit manifold (if power is off: set to open).


More or less. District heating water arrives at 70-90°C at the heat station in the building. That means the flow temperature at your heating circuit manifold is still at least 60°C. With that you get the floor properly warm, and at full flow it’s actually already too warm.
Currently, in my condominium, I have regulators that show 5 levels but basically only know on and off. That means, if I turn it on, it actually gets too warm during transitional periods, and I adjust several times daily or just have full heat in the bathrooms and only heat the other rooms as needed.
Since the heating water is already so hot, efficiency is not high anyway, and the loss remains within limits.


No, that's exactly how it’s done. The short-term additional heat demand must be supplied electrically. Raising the system’s entire flow temperature and then throttling the volume flow in all rooms except the bathrooms will cost you much more in the long run than running the heating cartridge for 15 minutes in the morning and evening.



Without knowing all the settings of the entire heating system, there are many possible reasons for this. Was the sun maybe shining?


Yes, unfortunately it is often the case that too little is explained. The temperature numbers on the analog regulators are purely decorative and probably mean nothing.
 

michert

2021-09-22 21:27:02
  • #4
Underfloor heating systems are much too sluggish due to the thermal mass aka heated screed to be sensibly controlled with individual room controllers. This might work better with very high supply temperatures and poor insulation than with new buildings and heat pumps. E
 

_Ugeen_

2021-09-22 21:39:26
  • #5

That means I have a bedroom that is always warm which I don’t want...


Definitely!


Sorry for the stupid question, but how and where do I switch off the power then?



We probably should have decided on district heating.


Which settings or values would be important to be able to give a proper assessment?
 

Tolentino

2021-09-22 22:05:19
  • #6

Not necessarily. Of course, you can turn down the volume flow for the bedroom at the radiator valve until you reach your desired temperature.


Not stupid at all, because there is no switch for that. You actually have to disconnect the cables from the motors. Not everyone just does that.
Step one should be going to the heating engineer. He should perform a hydraulic balancing if it has not been done already. Then you can search here or generally on the internet for "thermal balancing." This is a topic for several days if not weeks, since underfloor heating, as already wrote above, reacts very sluggishly.


I don’t think so. District heating has a clear advantage, and that is the space savings in the connection room.
Disadvantages are: dependence on a monopolistic supplier, namely:
- financially
- technically
as well as higher consumption costs and an inefficient heating system.



See above "thermal balancing."
Otherwise, you need people who are more than just well-read laymen.
Maybe will check in here again, he knows quite a bit.
 

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