guckuck2
2021-09-22 18:01:55
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It is indeed confusing when the room controllers are labeled in degrees Celsius. Such a system cannot provide that at all. I think that is already the fundamental misunderstanding.
First of all, most of the described observations are indeed normal for a modern heat pump with surface heating (underfloor heating). Furthermore, for an efficient operation of the heating system, using individual room control is rather detrimental or superfluous. Actually, you would set the desired temperature directly with the heat pump and the valves on the heating circuit distributor, which is then maintained. Strongly different temperatures are not or only poorly possible, because everything within the same thermal envelope heats each other up.
Bathrooms are often typically cursed by their limited area and the higher heating demand with an undercoverage of the heating capacity. That’s why additional heaters are often planned. However, it only makes limited sense with low-temperature systems to integrate these into the "normal" heating circuit, since it runs with low temperature. You therefore need a large surface to achieve effective heating performance here. It is better to use electrically operated radiators for this. These exist classically as towel radiators. You can check (have checked) whether your towel radiator can accommodate a heating cartridge. This is then inserted, for example, at the bottom of the towel radiator and connected to a power outlet. Converting this is, of course, no longer so easy and should be done by a professional company.
Alternatively, you can look for other heaters. There are stylish infrared panels or the not so beautiful ceramic heaters. Or, for example, quite classically fan heaters.
Well, from the statements in the initial post, I can deduce that there are no errors. The heat pump does what it should and exactly as it should.
You can disregard the controllers in the rooms. They are just wall decoration. Or rather, they can function as an emergency brake. But then you would have to run your heat pump higher than necessary, and who wants that.
The behavior you describe is exactly how a heat pump should function. In your apartment, you probably had underfloor heating that was not heated by a heat pump, which also explains your surprise that it worked there but not in the house. Am I right with this assumption?
It is indeed confusing when the room controllers are labeled in degrees Celsius. Such a system cannot provide that at all.
I think that is the fundamental misunderstanding already.
So this means I cannot individually control the temperature in every room?
If that's the case, I find that very bad.
Then what use are temperature regulators in each room?
And why was it possible in our apartment then? Could that possibly be due to connected district heating?
We have towel radiators with heating cartridges plugged into the socket. However, I don't think compensating through that is really good either. I wonder if this investment was a total mistake.
Although according to the temperature regulators, no heating was active, with open windows we had 22-23 degrees, which means the underfloor heating was still active, even though we hadn’t set it.
Unfortunately, no one explained that to us. However, the analog regulators also show temperature numbers. We also had that in the apartment.
No, but first, not by more than 2-3 degrees difference, second, always only with efficiency loss, because the neighboring rooms that have a higher desired temperature heat the other room as well.
Secondly, with an efficient system, you don’t adjust the desired temperature every day on a (poor) controller, but set the heating to the desired temperature from the start. This includes, on the one hand, determining the volume flow and the laying distance based on a predefined flow temperature, which should be kept as low as possible.
Your construction company or the heating installer just gave you bad advice or did the bare minimum.
Nothing, but they are legally required and an exemption seems complicated and unlikely, although possible (according to experience reports here in the forum).
Ultimately, the recommendation here is either to ignore the ERR (individual room control) (constant maximum setting) or even deactivate it by unscrewing the actuators at the heating circuit distributor or switching them off from power (only when powered off: open).
Something like that. District heating water arrives at the heat station in the house at 70-90°C. That means the flow temperature at your heating circuit distributor is still at least 60°C. With that you get the floor really warm and at full output it’s actually already too warm.
At the moment, for example, I have controllers in my condominium that display 5 stages but actually only know on and off. That means when I turn it up, during the transitional season it actually gets way too warm and I adjust it several times a day or simply only have full heat in the bathrooms and in the other rooms really only when needed.
Since the heating water is already that hot, efficiency isn’t high anyway and the loss is thus limited.
Without knowing all the settings of the entire heating system, there are many possible reasons. Was the sun shining perhaps?
That means I have a bedroom that is always warm, which I don't want...
Sorry for the stupid question, but how and where do I switch off the power?
We probably should have opted for district heating.
Which settings or values would be important to be able to give a reasonable assessment?