Various wall systems of houses, fastening capabilities, strength

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11ant

2025-07-13 21:56:01
  • #1
I wouldn't do alpine style just for the house to architecturally yodel: regional building styles have their (including climatic) reasons, without the corresponding high-altitude sun you can quickly curse the wide roof overhangs. I don't see plaster on the bottom and wood cladding on top as a reasonable reason for a mixed construction method, but a hillside location I do see as a recommendation for a stone construction (which does not make it harder to create a wooden construction appearance). Disqualifying a provider because they only use single boarding as standard seems nonsense to me. This belongs to the detailed planning "sampled," for example, boarding kitchen walls differently. Essential for the "load-bearing capacity" of the wall is the second to top wall layer. Here, a wood-based material brings more than an additional or thicker drywall panel. I would always take a freelance architect for a hillside location. The general contractor plan template authorized ones literally offer the "necessary" architectural services. In the fee league of discount architects, having their services itemized separately does not change that.

That is, however, relevant and should lead to the selection of all move-in ready providers if the finish standard "weather-tight shell construction" is sought.
 

Flo&Steffi

2025-07-13 22:29:24
  • #2


Hey.

I include the acquisition costs for heat pumps, and unfortunately, it looks very different there. So far, no one has been able to present me with a positive calculation; we do not have or use photovoltaics for the same reason. I prepare everything in advance, and what happens in 10 years is uncertain.
We are getting a Ratiotherm Oskar 08 with fresh water station and PT, including a condensing boiler for a bit over €10,000. The rest on the outside of the house is done by Primagas with annual rent, and that will be filled with 100% Futuria. It can’t get cheaper and is fully compliant with the Building Energy Act. Possibly even currently, and unfortunately in the medium term as well, with less CO2 impact than our current electricity mix. And when it’s cold, all heat pumps heat with that, because photovoltaics don’t bring as much then, as we all know.
Cooling with photovoltaics in summer is very cool; we considered that for a long time, but I currently prefer the tried and tested if the purpose, the avoidance of CO2, is still fulfilled. Because that is the deeper purpose of the Building Energy Act, not just installing a heat pump. That’s how most interpret it, in my opinion. The world is more complex than one might think. Futuria will also not have a CO2 price by 2027 and chemically meets the properties of propane, i.e., exactly the same. It costs nothing in comparison, and what I install in 10 or 15 years is open.
We switched our current system to Futuria a year and a half ago; it costs only 15% more and is brilliant.
 

Flo&Steffi

2025-07-13 22:34:56
  • #3


Now it gets interesting... perhaps you can explain the expertise again regarding the points "high-altitude sun" and roof overhang, as well as the hillside location and a solid masonry construction. Is it about water coming from above during heavy rain? I am very interested in this and have not yet received any objections from builders regarding timber frame houses and slopes, so this is a very interesting point. The location is by the way far south in Bavaria, so almost exactly where such things begin. With the föhn wind, we can already slightly see the mountains from the new property.

Brief info: The house will have a basement, so no slab foundation; also, we are the highest on the slope, so to speak the summit.
 

Papierturm

2025-07-14 06:25:01
  • #4
And at the same time the first in the prefabricated house segment. Where various partly very different providers have been lumped together and the typical marketing talk of the salespeople has been reproduced so faithfully that I almost believe in literal quotes. All providers can build houses. Whether they can build one trouble-free that fits their own ideas and demands is the central question. Emphasis on "trouble-free". Example wood cladding: There are providers who do this routinely and have a lot of experience with it. On the other hand, there are many providers who say "sure, we can do that", but do it routinely only rarely or never. For the planned house, which one should you build with? In the same way, you can also buy better cladding for an extra charge from a provider who sheaths the walls with a sheet of paper. But this usually leads to additional costs above those of providers who standardly do better cladding and whose employees (or their subs) are less practiced and trained in the different construction. But you should be. There are providers where a surface heating system is included at fair prices. Others charge astronomical prices for surface heating systems. And no matter what kind of heating technology you install today – to really make the house future-proof you should consider a surface heating system. Unless you do the work yourself and also pour the screed. And if you really only want the shell, then you should go to a local carpentry shop. That almost always comes cheaper than the big providers.
 

Flo&Steffi

2025-07-14 09:21:48
  • #5


Morning.

I didn’t ask about any of that, but that’s probably how it is in forums; I’ll just leave it as it is now. No idea where I supposedly used any marketing wordings or what someone interpreted there. But I don’t care, I don’t need marketing, and I’m not discussing heating systems anymore—I’ve been through that for years and I’m taking care of it myself. I got a tip and that is very useful; I don’t need more right now since I have enough planning to do. There are no heating systems in the offers because I am procuring that myself, just as it was planned from the beginning; there is NO heating except the underfloor pipes which are already installed in all of them. And yes, I mentioned that to all of them and they do it very individually. So that no one now tries to explain again that with some providers no underfloor heating is included.

Best regards
 

nordanney

2025-07-14 09:34:09
  • #6
Once again. Yes, each of the usual standard house builders will offer you something. But with your requirements, that is the most expensive option you can choose. And depending on the experience of the house builder, it is also not the option that is regularly built and therefore prone to errors. More individual (including any desired wall construction for your 30kg pictures) and cheaper will be a house planned for the slope by an architect. Then preferably build with the local carpentry or similar, who will only credit you €3,000 for omitting the heating or similar, but not the actually calculated €10,000 (with profit), instead providing a shell house for your own work. Aside from that, timber frame construction on a slope is also not a simple undertaking. It has many disadvantages compared to the solid variant (at least for the basement on the slope).
 

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