Smart home roller shutters / venetian blinds with conventional electricity

At least for us, that was the most cost-effective solution compared to KNX

I am not a KNX expert, but shouldn't what you listed also be achievable with KNX at a similar budget? 12k euros for a wireless solution seems quite steep to me.

Yes, of course everything listed is possible and even a bit more, because it's simply included with KNX, with a similar budget.

But to each their own.

I'm not a KNX expert, but shouldn't what you listed also be feasible with KNX for a similar budget? 12k euros for a wireless solution seems quite steep to me.

I don't know, but the experts here should know that you don't get a functioning KNX for 10k, but only a KNX preparation on which you can later upgrade with another 10, rather 15k. Overall, the KNX then costs 20 rather 25k. The whole wiring and programming cost a proper chunk. At least, those were the offers we had in this range. For the 12k, 36 hue spots, strips, and Philips lamps including installation are completely included. But everyone to their own.

The experts here simply know the real prices and not the fantasy prices of the Gus/GÜs and corresponding Elis and know exactly what is feasible and what is not. Because these experts themselves have carried out and/or accompanied/planned quite a few installations.

should know that you don’t get a functioning KNX for 10k, but merely a KNX preparation on which you can later upgrade with another 10 or rather 15k. I

The experts here know very well that 10K is completely sufficient to cover the basic functions you described, and what is that sentence supposed to mean, "no functioning KNX"?

KNX works as soon as you have a power supply, an actuator and a switch/sensor and, if necessary, a programming interface if you want to make changes yourself or also perform commissioning. Thus, you can have functioning KNX at home from about 300€.

In total, the KNX then costs 20 or rather 25k.

KNX can also cost 100K. But you can also have KNX with 5K. It only depends on what is desired and what is installed. Usually, the appetite comes with putting together the functions and components, and as soon as the interested parties find out what is actually possible and what can be done, then the big numbers come together. But it can also be very simple and economical.

All those circuits and programming cost a proper amount.

That, on the other hand, is absolutely not true. Programming and circuits basically cost no more than the working time of the Eli, and an experienced one should be finished with an average house within a few days (actually rather hours).

For the 12k, this also completely includes 36 Hue spots, strips, and Philips lamps including installation.

Granted, you can also have that within a KNX installation. Then the distribution board becomes cheaper if the builder wants to rely on Hue.

As already said, to each their own.

KNX does not have to be expensive. In fact, it is becoming increasingly cheaper. However, if you grasp with both hands, which most people do, then it is clear that the numbers always go up. It is like buying a car. You can take a basic model with few extras or buy the fully equipped version.

Thank you. "What things cost" in reality is quite different from the colorful prefabricated house catalog world with the random prices of the companies. Apart from Hager and Gira, there are also hundreds of other manufacturers of KNX actuators with whom the mentioned, very straightforward requirements could be mapped quite cheaply. If Rademacher is a satisfactory solution in this case, great! But KNX does not always have to be the most expensive solution.

I started the thread. Here is some information about what I have decided:

Shelly 2.5 for all electronic roller shutters and venetian blinds in deep boxes or in living room electrical boxes.

I will also get a Loxone Mini-Server Go to have a nice app and to control the Shellys.

Heating, lighting, doors, ventilation, etc. were not a topic for us regarding smart home considerations. Otherwise, I probably would have chosen Loxone because the electrician could handle it.