Single-family house on a steep slope - Bavaria

  • Erstellt am 2023-10-12 17:45:28

K a t j a

2023-10-13 06:51:43
  • #1
Thank you very much 11ant, you are right, the plot is quite something. Does the offer specify in more detail which costs are estimated for what?
 

11ant

2023-10-13 11:19:14
  • #2
I would also find it interesting, as I said, what caused the construction realization to falter with the already found partner. Was it (only) a late recognition of the difficulty of the task?
 

Pinkiponk

2023-10-14 09:07:00
  • #3

Are there many plots similar to yours in your region? Then maybe you could ask the advertising prefabricated house providers ... see which civil engineering companies work for the developers and perhaps approach them directly. Maybe they have recommendations/contact addresses for you or you can partially "tag along". Or is your plot unique in the region? What/how have the neighbors built?


I have not answered your question with my post; I hope my answer is still okay.

Has the plot already been surveyed and could you possibly post the survey plan here anonymously? I still can’t help further, but maybe others can.
 

_pexed_

2023-10-14 10:55:52
  • #4
Hello everyone and thank you very much for the numerous responses!

We can't write much about the old project as it is currently under legal review.

You said it would be madness to carry out the construction project with a general contractor (GU). Why do you think so? We received the tip to look for a GU when we met with an architect who specializes in the planning of prefabricated houses, as she said that planning security – especially with a plot like this – is best achieved with a GU. Of course, we are always open and grateful for further suggestions and tips.

The plot is definitely a challenge in terms of earthworks. A proper plan that takes the plot into account is very important here. It must be said, however, that many such (also steeper) slopes are being built on in the surrounding area (just on our street alone, 2 houses are currently being built). The earthworks contractors and GUs from the surrounding area therefore know this very well. We have even often heard that it is not such a big deal and that there are much steeper hillside plots in town XYZ that have also been developed. The plot no longer looks like it did on the original plan. Nowadays, you can even drive up it by car.

The current GU’s price also includes the earthworks for the house. So nothing will be added except for the exterior area. All the services required to ensure that the house stands safely on the slope are covered by the GU’s scope of work. He is currently calculating simply based on volume. I don’t think much has been detailed yet (also difficult without finished plans). It just seemed quite high for the house to us, and the GU’s statement during the last conversation was somewhat vague.

thanks, that helped. A survey was included in the old post that dug up. There isn’t anything more recent at the moment.

Is there a reliable source somewhere where you can get approximate values for construction costs? The pure house price would be enough for us, as we already have quite a bit of information and comparative values regarding the individual earthworks, and yes, these can definitely reach six figures here.
 

Pinkiponk

2023-10-14 11:20:56
  • #5
If everything that falls under "special earthworks and civil engineering" is recorded separately and it is only about the house, I think some experts in this forum can provide answers or sources. Maybe we start with the question of what or whether something additional needs to be considered/thought about/paid for your "normal" house that is not covered by the separate item "special earthworks and civil engineering"? I don't know anything about this, but I am not a (construction) technician either. What I wonder is, if everything related to soil/slope/subsoil/foundation slab-basement is treated as its own cost center, the price for your house, like for all other builders, should depend on your requirements. Do we already know your requirements and have I overlooked them?
 

11ant

2023-10-14 11:57:50
  • #6

The plot is, to be exact, unique in this forum, only and have somewhat comparable ones. I consider your suggestion to look around the area very helpful ;-)

That is already here, I linked it in post #2.
.

Hints (or confirmations or refutations of my assumption) would already be helpful, insofar as I assume reasons that would also apply with a new construction partner. My assumptions point to the provider getting cold feet and/or having made additions to the offer that made the mutual expectations irreconcilable. Outlining this at least roughly, I consider useful for the discussion.

No, I said it would be madness to fixate on a GC from the outset (and it would be even more madness to even "plan" with a GC). A GC can be a good contractor after a tender, but instead of a tender, one should never take one (which applies even more extremely in the case of such special plots – so much so that even a Prussian would use the Bavarian "niemals nie nicht" (never never not) for it, and a genuine Bavarian would even say "niemals nie nicht, Deifi nochamoi"). This plot is quite literally an absolute contraindication for a plan donkey!

A car maybe weighs two tons once, and is quite tolerant of being parked on a slope. Crane platforms are a whole different world.

Your plot is already, due to its topography, in the building ground class "unpredictable effort". There are no simple volumes for anything, and also no single volume for anything. Either the statements are vague or the mentioned worst-case figures are dizzyingly high. You can find similarly demanding plots at and Anson Argyris had already capitulated here in front of the same plot which has meanwhile built on. And you will also scare off several GCs yet – one more reason to at least carry out the planning with a suitably experienced architect. In this special case, even a "simple" house will not be a "simple house," and a "pure house price" cannot exist in this respect, because such prices assume ground slab-suitable construction situations. "Vagueness" here is "precisely" the factor before all principal cost figures.
 

Similar topics
14.01.2014Plot on a slope; embankment - retaining - costs?10
02.12.2016Plots in Cologne only through developers?54
19.08.2020Floor plan design for a two-family house on a slope246
06.06.2017Local bank markets plots - linked deal26
15.03.2018When is a slope a slope? Basement vs. slab19
16.12.2018Floor plan design single-family house (city villa 140 sqm) on a slope with double garage495
27.09.2019House on a slope with 2 granny flats51
10.11.20202 (dream) properties - financing unclear. Save equity?40
08.12.2020Single-family house construction project on a slope -> possibilities to secure the slope23
06.04.2021Building on a slope with approximately 30 percent incline41
28.10.2024Single-family house with a ground-level granny flat on a slope297
05.08.2021Divide and develop plots themselves24
13.08.2021Floor plan optimization for new construction, single-family house with 2 full floors without basement on a slope33
19.08.2021Plot on a slope in the Munich outskirts - how to decide?54
12.01.2022Union of two plots - redefine the building envelope?20
29.04.2022Designing hillside property - Earthworks / Retaining wall cost options26
05.12.2022Development plan unclear regarding the number of floors and height on the slope55
07.02.2025Cost issue for earthworks on a slope22
21.09.2025Floor plan single-family house SW slope approx. 160 sqm living area + basement11

Oben