Semi-detached house in building area 8.5m x 15m (WxD)

  • Erstellt am 2025-05-20 19:02:50

GregorBerger

2025-06-19 11:30:44
  • #1

Hm, I don't quite understand. If I were to base the height profile on the TIM, then by adhering to the highest FOK in the living area <7m (i.e., to avoid building class 4), three floors above garden level would be possible. However, with the height profile as it apparently appears, only two floors. That’s what I meant by "disadvantage." I also wonder, on this occasion, why a height profile with 10 cm accuracy is published in the TIM if it is irrelevant in every way.

That is true. Nevertheless: on the points where there is room for interpretation, the architect tends more towards the negative.
How is it actually if you then submit a building application and it is rejected because of some minor detail? Do you then have to pay, make corrections, and wait another 12 months?

That is correct, and this option is still not excluded.
 

11ant

2025-06-19 11:44:05
  • #2
So the terrain has meanwhile been changed to your disadvantage? - normally, reality is more favorable than theory. Here one could argue from a legal expert’s perspective that a document from a state office publisher should be regarded as an official testimony. Within certain limits, I could also imagine a "classic multi-level two-family house", where the rear rooms are, for example, three steps higher. And/or you adjust the reality before the surveyor honors the actual terrain as the standard.
 

GregorBerger

2025-06-19 11:50:29
  • #3

Yes, as described above. In the TIM the terrain is documented as higher than it actually is, because by the latest in the 1950s it was excavated forward and in the construction area down to street level.

That supposedly doesn’t help because with split level the highest occurring FOK counts, but the reference height level to determine the building class is uniform for the entire building. And with that, the garden-side split-level part of the 2nd floor would again be over 7 m above the reference height and thus the whole building GK4.

Throwing 2 m of topsoil from the garden over the front yard and garage driveways? :-D Haven’t thought of that yet. Sounds good. That would also eliminate the slope in the garden right away.
 

ypg

2025-06-19 12:26:36
  • #4

Take a look at the neighbor: if the split level is not feasible (although I don’t necessarily see it that way, since architects have learned exactly THIS, to plan a house legally according to the relevant regulations, which a layperson cannot do due to lack of knowledge) ... it continues further down.
Basically, I feel like your duplex idea is getting in your own way.

This was advised to you several times. Perhaps that advice indeed included the knowledge about the escape route, which, however, was not communicated yet because the time was not right.

Yes, we mentioned a lot. Unfortunately, one does not always arrive at the right result through deductions and assumptions.

Maybe the forum knowledge would have already taken the edge off here and there if more knowledge and actual conditions had been shared.

How is it now?

There is already quite a lot behind that.

How is it now?

I have also thought about that several times.

Whether the neighbor has a split level or not:
The motivation will be that he can set windows in a lower rear floor at the slope.

... and then the floor above opens onto the garden.
 

hanghaus2023

2025-06-19 13:48:17
  • #5


This can be prevented with a preliminary building inquiry.

If you or your planner are responsible for the rejection, then it can indeed start all over again. What does the city's fee schedule say about this? The architect should also know that.
 

GregorBerger

2025-06-19 14:00:33
  • #6

Well, one neighbor certainly has the FOK of his attic more than 7m above the street and also above the average terrain height. But I don’t know what kind of rooms he has up there. It is a single-family house with a granny flat, but already several decades old; maybe back then before building class 4 you didn’t have to worry. He doesn’t have a split level.


The semi-detached house is not a must, but the idea also has many advantages (especially the independent usability and the non-overlookable garden), so I don’t want to dismiss it immediately. If it turns out to be not (sensibly) feasible, then it’s off the table. It is currently losing points but not dead yet.

If you take the driveway and garage floor as a basis, then as shown in orange in the attachment. What terrain height would a surveyor use where the entire width of the property is built on or sealed?

He has those there, correct. It is just pitch dark because above that is the elevated terrace of the garden floor and even below the terrace the terrain already rises towards the garden.
 

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