Semi-detached house in building area 8.5m x 15m (WxD)

  • Erstellt am 2025-05-20 19:02:50

GregorBerger

2025-06-03 23:11:12
  • #1
Thank you for your draft!

It's simply a top-10 metropolitan area, although not directly in the highly dense million-city. There, the standard land values are well into four figures – occasionally even starting with a 2.
In this area, values only become distinctly triple-digit if you become completely dependent on a car or move to areas with questionable schools and neighbors.

How far? At 15 meters depth, you are already about 2 meters underground. And garages are actually supposed to be in the rear area.
By the way, the neighbor has dug out the slope all around the house. I don't quite understand the motivation yet. That must have cost a fortune. At least if he also disposed of the spoil. However, his garden is overall somewhat higher. Is it allowed to reuse spoil on your own property in this way? If yes, that might also be an idea for us. Then we get closer to your suggestion.


By now, I don’t believe that anymore. And the reason is one I hadn’t considered despite years of reading. With the 3rd VG, the house slips from building class 1 or 2 into building class 4. And that entails tremendous consequences regarding fire protection, sound insulation, parking spaces, accessibility, etc... Surprisingly, I can’t recall any discussion where someone really grappled with this issue. And a quick forum search didn’t bring up anything either.
 

GregorBerger

2025-06-03 23:18:12
  • #2

Sorry, that was a bit simplified. The 3rd upper floor would have its floor surface only just 5 meters above the average natural ground level (if you place the floor slab at street level). However, the 3rd upper floor would only really contribute to an increase in living space if there were also a developed attic above it. And that would then have the floor surface just over 7 meters above the ground – thus building class 4.
 

11ant

2025-06-04 11:33:04
  • #3

Seven square meters as space for a table and a chair to hang your jacket on is more than sufficient, almost regal as a cubicle for preparing the tax return exam. But that is only twenty cubic meters, which with a full-time workspace and a controlled residential ventilation system can already mean an increased idle speed. So permanently tilted window or non-smoking balcony.
 

GregorBerger

2025-06-19 10:26:47
  • #4
Good morning forum members,

there are a few news. I had an initial consultation with an architect. Although she will most likely not be able to plan the new building because she is not accepting any new planning assignments this year, I sought the conversation anyway because she is something like the top dog here in the area of single-family houses, two-family houses, and 3-family houses.

Some surprises have emerged that show that even very comprehensive internet research and years of reading house building forums have their limits. I was particularly surprised (to my disadvantage) by:

    [*]The municipality opposes the parking space regulation NRW (there is no separate statute) in points that are precisely formulated and actually allow no interpretation, which will increase the parking space requirement on my property by 1 parking space in most constellations.
    [*]The (favorable for me) height information in TIM NRW has no building law relevance. Also, no one, not even the municipal administration, has any relevant height information. Only the use of a publicly appointed surveyor results in an official site plan, from which the terrain profile can also be seen. I have already spoken with the surveyor: The rather steep rise from the street indicated in TIM cannot be found on the property, since this property, like that of both neighbors, has been excavated to street level over approximately 20 meters depth and the full width. If a natural terrain is no longer recognizable, then the terrain found is surveyed and becomes decisive.
    [*]The building authority generally does not offer oral consultations. One can only submit a building inquiry, which has a processing time of about 3 months. Since the development plan contains some vague formulations, there is a certain risk involved here.
    [*]Fire protection for GK1 and 2 (single-family house and two-family house) must include a rescue concept without using an aerial ladder. This means that the second escape route generally requires that from every floor a window, balcony, or flat roof can be reached under which the fire brigade can place an extension ladder. This would not be possible with the current idea of the semi-detached houses located one behind the other. Does anyone know where I can read more about this?
    [*]A building application here takes about 10-12 months for approval. Of that, alone 3-4 months go to the water law approval, which is processed by the district.
Some things are very sobering. Do you have any own experiences with the above points?

Greetings, Gregor
 

11ant

2025-06-19 11:25:04
  • #5
But that is not "to your detriment". And in that there are rather opportunities to use uncertainties in favor of the applicant. One more argument for my proposal of the classic multi-story two-family house.
 

11ant

2025-06-19 11:30:13
  • #6
That is normal (and not different for me either) that the calendar is already closed in June. Do you at least get appointments with her for Module A this year?
 

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