Renovation of an old building from energy class H to efficiency house KfW 55 EE

No, we actually don’t want to live in one of the apartments. It’s really just supposed to be a kind of retirement provision.

No, with my question I meant: would you feel comfortable in it? One should be able to imagine how others might accept this apartment. If you say, "it’s not really my thing, too small or awkwardly shaped," then others might feel the same and not want to rent the apartment, possibly not for the rent you have in mind.

But yes, it could be that I am somewhat "making the attic look better than it is."

That’s right. But not just the attic, also everything else. Like missing balcony, poorly usable rooms, no contemporary room sizes to reach a healthy or large target group.

Access is currently via a floor hatch in the stairwell. I would have closed that and made a staircase upstairs in the living room. I measured and it should work. Unfortunately, there is not enough space in the hallway.

Then the living room as a room is out as well. What remains? Kitchen, bathroom, a small room and a 9 sqm bedroom. Where should a balcony go then?

I would change the room layout. Swap kitchen and bathroom. Remove the partition wall to the living room so that the kitchen is open to the living room. The living room is currently a walk-through room, yes. I haven’t yet come up with a clever solution to change that. Moving the hallway still makes the "children’s room" smaller.

Then it’s 19 sqm or so for kitchen, dining and living. Does that fix it? So, I think, a lot of effort for an uncertain rent of about 10-11€ for max. 110 sqm. And then with the risk of temporary vacancy due to constant turnover. I see the house buyer rather as a self-user who does a lot themselves and can use both floors for themselves and their small family.

Now ask yourself, though, who as a single person pays over €1000 cold rent?

I live about 50 km northeast of Lindenberg, but I would say that this actually happens quite often here. Anyone looking for an apartment here as a single who doesn’t want to live like a student has to come to terms with such prices.

I live about 50 km northeast of Lindenberg, but I would say that this happens quite often here. Anyone looking for an apartment as a single here and who doesn’t want to live like a student has to come to terms with such prices.

Why? There are bigger and more adequate apartments available in your area for less money, but larger. I said it, and you can verify that yourself on the portals. Whether “quite often” is enough for you to get your rent, only you can decide. Take a look, here is a counterpart of your house: Scout-ID: 158594975 You can at least recognize the approximate roof pitch of over 45 degrees, so rather more or equal to 50 degrees. Also, the knee wall is visible inside. I sketched it out with a tool and was thus able to approximately grasp the finished attic and the attic storage. You have roughly, as a rough estimate, around 40 sqm (rather less) of living space in the attic, including hallway, bathroom, and kitchen, where the area is about 150 cm high. You can generally say that everything below that is not counted as living space. But that depends on the state, though all are similar in regulations. The attic should or could thus be about 430 cm wide. That simply means hardly any standing room worth mentioning. In addition, the two chimneys are combined here, so behind them you can basically only reach storage space. Here is the finished attic, next to it the takeover of the roof slopes to determine the width. [ATTACH alt="IMG_1815.jpeg"]92837[/ATTACH] Here the attic storage, with imagined lines where it no longer feels possible to walk. 6 sqm remain, which however also includes the stairwell. [ATTACH alt="IMG_1813.jpeg"]92838[/ATTACH] Something like this is also offered in your neighborhood, but defined as storage space. Scout-ID: 133559463. However, the attic here is significantly wider, while the roof pitch will be equal to or below 45 degrees. [ATTACH alt="IMG_1817.jpeg"]92839[/ATTACH] I think at least the effort of the roof conversion will not be worthwhile. So you have a ground floor apartment with about 50 sqm plus a conservatory (not calculated) and an attic apartment of about 40 sqm without a balcony and “room.” You want to add a balcony, okay. But that also costs again. Whether it is all worth it to take the risk and then only get two mediocre apartments that justify your costs, would be your risk.

Although I live about 50 km northeast of Lindenberg, I would say that this does happen quite often here. Anyone looking for an apartment here as a single and who doesn't want to live like a student has to come to terms with such prices.

Sorry, I confused your username with that of the OP

I also somehow don’t see two attractive apartments for tenants here. Maybe it could still somehow be possible to convert the attic so that it at least becomes an acceptable room for children (although I'm not quite sure exactly where the chimneys are there, so they might basically make it impossible), but since the staircase on the upper floor also takes up space, which is already not generous, there isn’t really an attractive apartment left. And if a family is supposed to move in there, they will probably want some storage space somewhere or like to use the garden. Due to the layout, one would probably have to put a dining table in the small room; otherwise, the living room plus kitchen will be very cramped because of the staircase. That would actually be more for couples who then look for something else once a pregnancy begins. And small apartments downstairs with a large garden and €1000 cold rent will probably also be difficult. Not for families, borderline expensive for retirees, young couples might rather not want to have to take care of a garden, etc. Difficult...

Just something to think about. You write that the house has been on the market for a while and so far no one has dared to take it on. Do you seriously believe that no one has already thought about renovation, expansion, and renting it out? What were the results? That was rhetorical... What are you doing differently that suddenly (even with an expensive renovation) it will work out well for you? There must be a lever, a business model that sets you apart from others?

I would rather think of [Vitamin B] for the building authority (conversion, which no one has thought of so far) or a lot of [EL] (own company or similar).