Plot with some special features - various questions

  • Erstellt am 2015-08-08 01:31:22

SirSydom

2015-08-09 10:03:24
  • #1


What?!

Who wants to forbid me (on what legal grounds) to place an ad:

"Looking for a builder who will jointly buy a 1200m² plot with existing buildings with me, refurbish it, and parcel it for the construction of two single-family houses. Purchase price approx. €1,200,000, best location near the Hotzenplotz cave."

You don't even have to offer exactly that plot..
 

R.Hotzenplotz

2015-08-09 10:13:00
  • #2


I think for many, simply creating ownership ranks even higher than it does for us and especially represents a kind of strategic life decision. For us, it is more a means to an end. Only with ownership can we get a truly bespoke house (and by that I really mean bespoke with a soundproof TV room, bus system, etc.) and contrary to the opinion of many, we don’t even see it as a financially more sensible decision compared to renting. When you do a full cost and opportunity cost calculation, the tenant usually comes out ahead – all the more so, the higher the share to be financed. Of course, it is assumed that one is strategically saving a significant amount monthly, which would otherwise more or less dissipate ineffectively in the form of loan interest. For those interested in suitable literature to dive deeper into this, the following book is recommended here, which presents the issue in a vivid way and is easy to understand.

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That there are plots around Cologne that cost less than half is completely clear. Certainly, they will be just as nice or even nicer in the microenvironment. But it is also a question of centrality. That’s just a matter of what one wants. We are quite clear on that. The problem lies less in the higher plot prices in Cologne, but rather in the longer waiting times due to the lack of good plots. If it were different, if one were only willing to spend half the money that the mentioned plot costs, then one wouldn’t have to look any further, unless one wanted to live farther away. But as said; even if we shouldn’t find anything, we will simply continue renting. When I see how much money the owner has put into this property here and that we are renting for 2.9% of that, I can invest the money more sensibly. Not to forget is the maintenance reserve, which still needs to be deducted here.




Yes, something like that. My parents have lived since 1980 with the same people in a semi-detached house. Since 1995, they haven’t spoken a word to each other and don’t even acknowledge each other’s glance. The cause was an incident where my parents had a gardener who trimmed a neighbor’s tree on their side of the property. The neighbor was angry and yelled at my mother that it was outrageous to order a gardener and only trim on their side, that was just impossible. The gardener, mind you, was there for three days for my parents’ very large garden. I personally could not imagine living like that. You don’t even sit on the terrace anymore but only at the other end of the garden so that you don’t hear what the neighbors are saying. Basically, I wouldn’t mind sharing a house with nice people, but I also see that you don’t have 100% influence on that. And even if you see it fits perfectly; then the neighbors can sell the house to a chaotic bunch within six months.... so very clearly – semi-detached house only to rent, so that you can possibly get out quickly again. If owning, then only a generous plot with a detached house in nice privacy.




Don’t say that. Right next door, a single-family house was also torn down and a multi-family house has already been built there. There are 5 or 7 condominiums inside.




That’s why I posted it here once, since I myself had no idea how to find such an interested party without an official listing on Immoscout. Honestly, I don’t understand why the provider simply doesn’t follow my suggestion and include this option in his real estate offer.
No realtor is involved here.

It was only for two days that instead of the entire plot two 800m² partial plots of this property were listed in connection with two Artos developer houses. The company Artos also wanted a realtor’s commission for the plot part. That’s how I even got the idea to buy half here. I called the seller and said I was interested in half of the plot as advertised by the developer and he said the approach by Artos was not agreed upon and that he immediately recalled the company. The offer was then quickly gone again.... no idea why they do it like that....

That’s why I won’t officially publish anything here or even post concrete details about the plot..... I thought someone might have an idea where people gather who are looking for plots in this region, so that I could build face-to-face contacts. Seminars on plot search by prefabricated house builders or similar. But at the moment, it’s basically all futile anyway, because the plot itself will only be inspected when the division is seriously on the table. At the moment I only have the satellite images and look at the front of the house from the street.... then comes the private road.... presumably it’s just that the seller doesn’t want to deal with two buyers here, two negotiations and so on.....




Yes, that was also my idea and is the only sensible thing – at least with regard to internet listings etc.

What exactly could you possibly do? I could submit a corresponding proposal to the seller.
 

ypg

2015-08-09 10:41:13
  • #3
Please refrain from placing links!
 

R.Hotzenplotz

2015-08-09 12:03:23
  • #4
Ok, I had failed to check the forum rules that links are generally prohibited. I will from now on consistently comply with the rule. Sorry that I had to be called to order in this regard.

The book I linked to is called "Kaufen oder Mieten" by Gerd Kommer
 

Bauexperte

2015-08-09 13:13:32
  • #5

Don’t you get the idea that with this you would be counteracting the seller’s ad, since a property quickly gets "burned" in the eyes of potential buyers through multiple applications? People who are looking for THE property are not as stupid as you apparently assume, so that they could not make connections.

You don’t have to explain to potential interested parties (callers, emailers) where the property exactly is?

Rhenish greetings
 

Bauexperte

2015-08-09 13:30:28
  • #6

Everyone probably carries this and similar experiences with them; I know it too. But there are also other examples where there has been no lasting impairment of neighboring relations.


I always like to learn, but I am still relatively sure that it did not go further than the priority notice of transfer.


Because they assume that the seller will hardly want to oppose a notary appointment?


I have a file in which I record who is looking for which property where; also those who can afford to spend a little more money. Maybe an interested party will like the conditions.

Rhenish regards
 

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