New single-family house construction without garage in self-performance

  • Erstellt am 2019-05-07 14:05:32

StefMeister

2019-05-08 10:41:04
  • #1
The banks have already discussed exactly that; they have no concerns and would support the project accordingly. It simply lies in the fact that I have already spoken with all parties involved beforehand. For the bank, it is only important that everything is carried out professionally (which is of course also in my interest) and that the architect confirms that each individual has the necessary professional competence to carry out the trade, which can be done relatively quickly with a master craftsman's certificate. The banks were partly surprised by what I presented to them; I dislike going into discussions unprepared or uninformed, and with just under 10 pages summarizing the situation and how the credit requirements are structured, they were quite impressed, or it is probably unusual for my age to think so clearly in this area.
 

ypg

2019-05-08 11:00:30
  • #2
First of all, congratulations on a plot that suits you and where you can imagine living. It really seems not to be a compromise, as is often read with others.
It is also affordable with 70,000 from memory...

What you can save through EL is considerable if you come from the profession yourself.
There is a lot to do. But when I look at the oversized windows and the staircase, which demands a lot from the statics, I doubt the 300,000 in which the ancillary building costs are apparently also included.
I don’t want to say more about costs.
However, you should think about whether to include funds or ETFs (whatever that is) in the financing. I see only 15,000 euros in equity at the moment — and as much as possible should still be saved because kitchen and garden also need to be paid for.
Then, 30 days of vacation plus 200 overtime hours are not exactly generous to build a house that has an approximate construction time of one year or more in EL. Even if you come from the profession, 12-hour days (then no more overtime can be done) can eventually be very draining. Also with 24

There is not much to say about the current floor plan since a lot will be changed anyway -> staircase, windows.
A site plan with measurements and the house drawn on it would be an advantage, by the way. Orientation: very important ... missing ...
And honestly: the drawings are very hard to read. The dimension lines do not stand out from the actual drawing, that is, the walls, or vice versa. So it is very difficult to tell where the walls actually are.

A few remarks nonetheless on some statements:

With 15 sleepovers a year, the guest WC should also have a shower, so it should be a bit more spacious than in this draft.

What is nice in the living room may be quite bad in the bedroom. Too large window areas in the bedroom mean high temperatures and a spatial feeling that radiates no coziness, protection, or comfort, and even worse: gives none. So what’s the use of a panoramic window in the dressing room if you don’t want to undress there? The same applies to the bathroom.



Yes, you could... you wouldn’t even notice, and if at all, then positively, because 10 meters to the dining table is not exactly nice!

Then a few words about the actual house construction, which I deduce from a few quotes and the draft, referring to #6 by :
You are now 21 and 24... I’m not a fan of building too early, but I don’t want to go into that here.
It is noticeable, however, that more value is placed on a house that personally impresses you than one that works in everyday life.
Surely that may be true if you speak about your sweetheart:


... but you also have other roles in the house than that of romantic nest building; rather, one should a) also be able to function independently, and b) function in the role of a parent. After all, children are planned.
And you will change, as will your relationship. Not negatively, but differently.
Regarding a) (without getting very personal), one sometimes wants the bathroom for oneself, without the other being able to join across the house. The dressing room should also be planned so that one does not disturb the other when getting up or when ill. Also, an overly open “staircase” to the chill area does not offer enough retreat. With the planned two children, life will be somewhat hectic; friends and schoolmates will stand in the house at some point, who should independently find their way to the children’s rooms.
Regarding b) this quote:


I don’t see any reference in this sentence to children and living together with toddlers, school children, or adolescents. Although the house is equipped with generous children’s rooms (in my taste, too large rooms), the first 12 years children are very much in the foreground and also have to be supervised sometimes. There is no “I wish for an evening to ourselves today”, you will probably just drop into bed exhausted after a 14-hour day. The bathroom will be used by small children WITH the parents... children need supervision when brushing teeth, etc.
This also applies to the bathtub and sauna. Why should you withhold comfort from the children if you openly and constantly live it out?

The house is to be built for your future and your shared life as a family — then you should also focus the house planning more on family and not build a house designed for a couple with generously planned two children’s rooms but without consideration.

Perhaps mothers and fathers who deal with the daily up and down the stairs, just for laundry, vacuum cleaner, and cleaning supplies, as well as decoration needs for Christmas and Easter, beverage crates, and old paper storage, will chime in here.
All that takes up space, and some things will grow much more over the years without having to do anything for it.
 

StefMeister

2019-05-08 11:46:55
  • #3
First of all, thanks for this detailed response.
Currently, the time I can invest, the well-meant overtime hours are not welcomed in our company group, the accumulation of currently 200 was only possible for me through an agreement with the works council, otherwise one is required not to exceed 38 hours per week and if overtime is done, it must be taken off immediately. I’m quite positive about my possible time investment in the house, by 2:45 pm I am already home during the week, so you do have a decent amount of time to use.
We set up the children's rooms according to our own life, i.e. I’m sure you are right that for about 10 years it will be inevitable for the children to also have their own bedrooms, but we both think the children should start becoming independent quickly enough. Currently, the space for the children's rooms does not bother me and I would not reduce it even if they are certainly large. And about the sauna, for example, as a child I could do nothing with it or simply didn’t know it, but I am definitely enthusiastic about the ideas here and we are still considering it.
Regarding the window areas in the bedroom, they will also be smaller and a bit cozier in the new design. The bedroom bath will be separated from the bedroom by glass partitions, and I agree with you regarding disturbance, but currently it is like this: we can get up together in the morning, and since as a man I am quite pragmatic about bathroom and space requirements in the "dressing room ??"
The kitchen is a gift from my father-in-law. The garden will be done gradually, but only materials need to be procured there.
Unfortunately, you can’t really see clearly on the photographed plans how what is drawn, the guest bathroom also contains a spacious shower.
I would simply postpone the suggestions regarding the floor plan until tonight/tomorrow, the one photographed here is definitely no longer current, and almost everything you suggested has already been agreed/discussed at the appointment back then.
 

ypg

2019-05-08 13:18:22
  • #4


Yes, of course it can happen that you buy duplicates; after all, you have to take care of both the ground floor and the upper floor. It’s not an apartment!


Have you ever thought that your romantic relationship might very quickly enter a different phase?



Being pragmatic means making the bathroom accessible to everyone and not having rooms that can only be entered through the bedroom.
There will definitely be times in life or in the relationship when you don’t get up together. Every partner would be grateful if the house is built so that they can keep their quiet time in bed while the other gets ready. To me, it currently reads as if you are still in the "clingy phase." Please don’t take that the wrong way. But that phase will soon be over—you will also long for independence in the relationship again.
I took another look at the upper floor because of the fireplace... what kind of wall is there in the bedroom? And the bathroom doesn’t have access to the hallway because of the stair layout...
already said it: a house plan stands and falls with the staircase. Everything should be completely reconsidered and planned anew.
 

StefMeister

2019-05-08 13:37:50
  • #5
Cleaning supplies will definitely be stored centrally in one place, I can speak from experience that it can easily be organized together, it’s certainly not an apartment but I don’t like having too much chemicals in too many places, I currently see that with my mother who stores them in the basement + bathroom + pantry and sometimes doesn’t even know where what is and therefore only takes from one place and then we agreed that a central spot, even if it involves walking, helps or is more comfortable for us.

Regarding the draft again, tonight it will definitely look better, I just don’t perceive the disturbance like that, we are both already more than independent enough to have carefully considered or consciously decided to have a bedroom with a separate bathroom and sauna. The children have their own bathroom as they get older and the sauna will, if anything, initially only be used by us and then once the children are old enough, we have to see if they even like it, but nothing will be changed there anymore, we both wanted to build that area this way simply because of the behavior of our parents or their usage.
I can only make a statement about the fireplace, etc. tonight.
Unfortunately, the pictures here are really bad and don’t accurately reflect the floor plan as it is planned.
And the bracket phase is already behind us, we are both quite far ahead and I also don’t see where I would currently have major noise sources in the morning in this floor plan, but I’m happy to be corrected.
 

haydee

2019-05-08 13:55:09
  • #6
You have to plan your house for the time
- Couple, young and 2 incomes
- Family with toddler
- Family with teenagers
- Couple, no longer so young, with 2 incomes without children

Couple, young and 2 incomes—you know the requirements
Family with teenagers too—you’ve only just had them from a child’s perspective. I don’t find the rooms too big for teenagers either

Family with baby and/or toddler
Don’t plan too much how you do things—it always turns out differently than you think.
Children produce gigantic piles of laundry
A way to prepare bottles at night on the sleeping level is worth its weight in gold—coffee too
Cleaning cloths, broom, and bucket within easy reach is not a luxury either. Something always happens. Milk comes back up, vomiting, something gets knocked over—it’s just practical. It has to be cleaned up quickly before it’s spread further or crawled into shards.
It takes years until children can go to the toilet alone, dress themselves, shower, and brush their teeth
You can’t leave babies and toddlers alone. You drag them everywhere. Child in your arms, laundry basket under the other. How many parents wish they were Hulk and had arms like an octopus

Sleep becomes a luxury. Many parents take turns so that someone can sleep in. That means you don’t notice full diapers, bathing sessions, changing clothes, nothing. That is not possible in your parents’ suite.
 

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