Sorry, I completely forgot to answer that! So it’s supposed to be a turnkey house, as I have little time and knowledge for the finishing work. [...] The region is near Alzey, Rhineland-Palatinate
Oh, did you think of Massa Haus because of Alzey? ... in any case, we’ll find something for you there.
Thanks also for the other provider tip regarding Steinler. I hadn’t had that on my radar.
Gussek Haus is a timber builder. But you mentioned the Steiner Viebrockhaus, and its most exciting duel is against Gussek Haus, so you basically have Steffi versus Boris there.
Here’s another answer since my reply from yesterday was deleted. It’s not so easy to follow the rules here.
Were you naughty and included an external link?
You’re right, I think I still hadn’t understood it properly. There is also a partner site from the expert you named that "mediates" architects. Can you trust something like that or how else do you get a good expert who regularly builds prefab houses?
I regularly name several colleagues I consider recommendable; the term "expert" in my eyes is close to an insult. But if another professional calls himself an expert, I assume he doesn’t feel insulted by it. From your description, you probably mean Mr. Beuler, and with the partners "a better Place." What exactly they are (collective or association?) I haven’t fully figured out yet; in any case, I rate them as recommendably competent. They just fit well with the "prefab house expert" but are not limited to timber (and not even just to "prefab" houses). In my assessment, they are cost-effective without offering too little. I can gladly name you even more recommendable contacts – you know the way, I have already mentioned several of them here quite often. I can only repeat myself: there are so many of my kind that you almost have to be blind to walk past them.
I worry that the architects there only do service phases 1-3, and that was a sign from you for architects rather not true to cost.
Architects of the type " warns" love mandates limited to service phases 1 to 4 because then they are off the hook after the stamp and can hide their weak points in competence. Not always, but with a high hit rate, those budget-ignorant "artists" avoid service phase 5 like the devil avoids holy water.
Your misunderstanding that architects offering only service phases 1 to 3 could be cut from the same cloth seems logical – thanks for this hint! But it is often simply the most practical and market-appropriate scope of services when the builder (even if out of resistance to advice) wants to go to a general contractor (at least a timber one).
Advisable remains at least the 'dough rest' (and better also the setting of the course) between service phases 2 and 3. 1-3 may be fine, but architects who know timber (!!) are currently still in the minority. And I can’t always implement a massive plan 1:1 in timber. So if I want timber, 1-3 can be useless. Or better yet, when costs run away with massive, then timber construction should fix it, haha.
I like to laugh out loud at that. No construction method is per se cheaper – except maybe that the gymnastics exercise EH40 is usually more cost-effective with timber. That many architects are not equally skilled with both hands and left-handers are in the minority, you are unfortunately right. But even among timber specialists, compatibility is not full; a timber-planning architect is best explicitly trained in the system of the desired provider – which, however, applies similarly for stone planners. "Stone upon stone," the plans for a house made of stone X are also easily implementable in stone Y.
Service phase 3 is basically "the service phase after the setting of the course," which explains (among other things) its place in the house-building schedule.
So that the small timber builders seem to only haunt the 70s is more a rumor. I know enough who built with ventilation systems 30 years ago and earlier, at a time when many did not even know how to write that. I don’t even want to start on heat pump technology. Or diffusion-open wall structure, that’s where the master disciplines start.
You misunderstood me there. My assessment refers to their maturity regarding the industrialization of their processes and
does by no means imply they build old-fashioned walls. They even often have installation levels more frequently than the "big" competitors.
My layman’s attitude was simply different. But I would trust you if it doesn’t make sense to put it into a table like that. I thought it was that simple. Too bad it isn’t.
It doesn’t hurt at all that it isn’t. And it’s a routine operation for a (certified) medical assistant.
Ultimately, you distract yourself with such comparisons from the more important points. [...] In the end, you have checked a thousand crosses, excluded 2 of 20 companies [...] and among the remaining 18 companies, you’re still comparing apples to oranges...
… and the table has more footnotes than columns.
Not just gut feeling or internet nonsense. For me, there are already several reasons for the timber prefab house (construction time, shorter time the house is exposed unprotected to weather, more quality assurance than on-site stone by stone.)
So it is nonsense from the offline internet aka pub talk or bakery flower / pharmacy magazine. Only the erection time is shorter with the "prefab" house, and ISO 900x GTI 16V and the "quality seals" of any consumer magazines of your choice you also get with the stone builders. Which sticker they license is decided by the respective marketing department. That’s why you usually don’t get any at the local builder (whether mason or carpenter) without them working worse for it.
Thank you! I was not looking for market leaders. But I had still trusted that internet nonsense. So looked at what some YouTube channels and associated websites say.
The qualitative market leaders don’t have billboards at intersections on the internet either. You find them via appropriate guides or follow the scent of satisfied customers.
But I think it will be hard alone; you have to get the info. So of course I hope to get many infos here already to plan the next steps correctly, e.g., also the way to a building consultant.
For the latter, always as early as possible (around the plot purchase or its reservation), and don’t forget: architects are also recommendable as such, provided you find them yourself and not mediated through a general contractor.
I’m still quite at the beginning regarding type/catalog houses. I can hardly imagine that these can then be transferred to the plot, nor do I want to choose a developer just because he has a suitable floor plan in a type house. But maybe you don’t have to?
Developer anyway not, if the plot is already yours. A catalog house has (to the extent it already exists not only in the catalog) the essential advantage of the series model – meaning none at all if you build a model from the Meier catalog with Müller. And it fits if you choose the right base model – a free consultant, who can also happily be an architect, can help with that. Catalog models regularly "fit" for "normal families" (2 adults, 2 children, sum of rooms in the category child / guest / work: 3) and a plot that does not require a basement according to the 11ant basement rule. With deviations from this pattern, again, "ask your architect or other free building consultant." It regularly doesn’t fit when, for example, with the deviation "three children
plus home office" a base model of the
according to square meters "fitting" size is selected. That then leads into a similar frustration loop as starting to plan yourself with the less complex upper floor.