@ypg: We wanted the utility room where the laundry happens and with the floor plan approach from the stairs, one had to see how to handle an L-shaped hose like that. I think it fits for us. And if the kids prefer the shower bathroom later, that’s fine by me.
?? What do you mean? Did I say anything about the utility room? Your laundry appliances are drawn in the technical room – I didn’t say anything about that because a separate utility room on the upper floor for 6 people does take up quite a bit of space. I think a utility room on the upper floor is great, but with two floors, it’s almost the same either way. Or do you mean your bathroom on the upper floor? Should one have to fight through piles of laundry to get to the toilet there?
The case of your parents is interesting.
The case is not interesting – it just reflects normal situations of elderly seniors or small children. If you can’t implement that, then so be it.
But if necessary, rooms will be swapped here. A larger bed also fits in the office (3*4.2),
But not accessible with a walking aid. Apartments for seniors, even if it is just one room, should cover different functions than, for example, children's rooms.
2.7m in the guest room: As long as it is a guest room, that’s fine. You can (but it costs quite some cabinet space) also rotate the bed and place it by the window.
That doesn’t work either because the corner then gets in the way. Then you can’t get around the bed at all.
At the latest, the current living room has enough space in such a worst-case scenario.
You don’t want to relocate older people behind the open-plan kitchen into the living room now – far away from the toilet and always in the focus of the family or visitors?! Then the parents have no privacy left at all. I expect a somewhat more respectful view when they are already being served on a silver platter here if you ask for justified criticism. This downplaying of facts, even if it concerns spry and only mildly impaired people, seems somewhat lacking in empathy towards this golden age.
I do not see scenes of family life here." -> Interesting. What kind of scenes?
Family meals (kitchen/outside)
Before I continue, to clarify again that we are discussing a desired 6-person household here.
The classic Christmas tree as a fixed scene. I don’t want to start with home music now. But why not? Children are also musically educated, which might want to be offered somewhere. And that also stands
only as a placeholder for many things. All other scenes could theoretically happen as you yourself have listed, but for many it’s simply cramped. Where can visitors go? When sitting at the table, do you have to squeeze or weave your way through somewhere? You can’t just set something down unplanned, or just dance without moving furniture around. It’s just the case that you don’t send the other residents somewhere to sit. Movement, gymnastics, “Mom, look”… The seniors, I said, are in the way if it’s not even better to just leave them in the bedroom. Some prefer them bedridden and sleeping because then they only have manageable needs. But I don’t want to exaggerate situations.* And without seniors: two kids do homework or craft at the dining table, and suddenly the way to the garden is only accessible through the kitchen corridor because the seats block the path.
There is no nice large and practical terrace door: There are quite a few windows. Floor-to-ceiling windows reduce options somewhat (you can’t put anything in front of them) and if you sit at a table, some sit with their backs to it and others have to look past people/the table. That reduces the effect too.
That describes your design. My quick & dirty suggestion at least omits furniture in front of a window. Everyone can look into the beautiful garden. And not only that: you can walk into the garden and onto the terrace without regard to anything. The garden is the living room of the house anyway in the summer months while the terrace replaces the dining area. And the parent doesn’t have to push some stuff away in front of the door before they can go into the garden in a worst-case scenario.
There are some tall trees visible from the windows, plus other stuff.
Yes, that’s great, saves some biology lessons if you have something like that in the garden to look at.
large window fronts that don’t feel quite so important to us)
I know floor-to-ceiling windows but somehow I don’t need them? So if they are useful and fit, okay, but somehow I don’t find them necessarily better. Do I have a thinking error here?
Either you do have one or you walk somewhat unrealistically through the world. I’d put it this way: why wouldn’t you want to have the view of your own garden (wasn’t there even a pond?), which apparently already offers a lot? Costs hardly anything extra. There is brightness, and everything else has already been mentioned by . Even occupational safety recommends looking into the distance several times an hour. And that’s easier with larger windows. Some pay for a nice view. And you want to do something for the resale value, right?!
Long story short: a head of household very often mistakenly thinks all his chicks tick the same way and have the same needs and daily routines. Here I also see that although a room for the parents has been considered, that they participate in communal living – I don’t see that implemented at all. Community life is more than assigning everyone a place at the table or in a room.
Coat closet: actually we don’t want a closet at all but coat hooks.
Haha, I know some where the top priority in the house is: no visible jackets anymore. I won’t say anything more about that, has already described it well.
Might not look so tidy to some,
Grandparents (at least ours) are bothered by the mess otherwise (even if they sometimes accept it),
That seems to be a building block of harmonious coexistence ;)
The technical room is in the west (longer lines,
That doesn’t matter at all at this distance (10/15 meters). We are not talking about a very narrow plot with 50-meter lines. That’s a similarly wrong notion as that you absolutely have to have the bathroom above the technical room. What’s cool here is that you have a side entrance directly from the garden where you can also carry flower pots or laundry in and out.
The bathroom has only a north-facing window, and there is one room less.
Quick & Dirty… I know, it’s hard to mentally rethink a window ;) Yes, one room less, but the whole ground floor works.
The restrained statement of the grandparents is that they prefer the more rooms variant.
Oh, do they also get the office or just have a say in the house?
In a later scenario when the house is divided
many things will have to be rebuilt anyway. In 30 years or so?
In the current planning, for example, a bicycle carport or similar goes next to the technical room. In principle, it also fits in the southeast corner.
I don’t really care where it ends up. It’s just an example of something that has to be considered in a plan and was missing – maybe you also need a permit.
And at the very worst, it will be converted into a student dormitory with 8 rooms when selling. Thinking error?
Well, I actually thought of a FUK (shared apartment for seniors). They also only have space for seating in the kitchen according to the number of residents.
Somewhat shocking! Presumably, we are currently quite happy in principle. On a level where I previously thought it couldn’t all be brought under one roof.
Yes, I can understand that. You made an effort. And your Tetris almost works. But the collective wisdom or I recognize the deficits. I have hardly met anyone here who is not proud of their work, whether it was good or bad: it’s just fun to work with a tool and watch your house grow. But you have to say sometimes: love often makes blind. At first, you are infatuated, after weeks the love stabilizes a bit. You become blind to flaws and then ask in a forum, but you had your thoughts with every wall projection. And the tool also makes a layman a true architect. You can’t be wrong with that. I’m also a mathematician because I can use a calculator.
I am happy about honestly justified criticism – the more detailed, the better.
And what has it brought? You are now in a defensive posture. That usually only happens with hostile attacks or if you feel personally attacked. Well, you have to decide what you make of the criticism. I’m done. P.S. Personally, I don’t like these ping-pong games. The expert has to adapt to the layman’s professional level – and something corresponding results. Here, unfortunately, one also has to mention the dusty external views. Nice appearance doesn’t have to cost more.