Installing Siemens dishwasher in Ikea Metod kitchen

Hello

I also want to install a Siemens dishwasher in my Metod kitchen and therefore I was at the Siemens showroom in Vienna yesterday and got advice on this matter.
After I gained some insights on the one hand and on the other hand I am not sure if the statements from the Siemens consultant are really true, I wanted to post all information here and start a discussion. It would be nice if others also share their experiences here.

After I told the consultant the cabinet height (800mm) and plinth height (80mm) yesterday, he showed me a table that indicates whether devices with 81.5cm (normal) or 86.5cm (XXL) height fit into a specific niche height with a certain plinth height.
At the bottom in the legend you can see:
white fields for 86.5 or light gray fields for 81.5: dishwasher fits
dark gray fields: dishwasher fits only with Vario hinge
black fields: dishwasher fits only with Siemens folding hinge (special accessory).

Now the table shows a white field for a niche height of 880mm and a plinth height of 80mm. According to this table, an XXL device WITHOUT Vario hinge could therefore be installed directly, with the front of 800mm height mounted directly on the dishwasher door. (no Behjälplig necessary).
According to the consultant, this table applies to all Siemens dishwashers with 60cm width, so both for fully integrated and partially integrated models.
However, the consultant said that even a 5mm inaccuracy in the niche height, depending on how the feet of the Metod kitchen are adjusted, could cause problems.

Unfortunately, I only looked at the dimension drawing of the XXL devices (86.5cm) without Vario hinge on the Siemens website at home.

I noticed the following:
In the dimension drawing the front is given as 705-775mm, but in the table it says 705-800mm, so there is a difference of 25mm!
The plinth height in the dimension drawing is a minimum of 90mm, but in the table it is 80mm for the XXL device (column 880).
I therefore wonder how it is possible that exactly in the column "880" with plinth heights from 80mm the fields are white and therefore every XXL device without Vario hinge should fit?
Are there not already feedbacks from other users in this forum that the installation of an XXL dishwasher without Vario hinge and without Behjälplig is not possible?
I will definitely call the consultant and ask him this or point out the differences between the table and the dimension drawing.
I will post further insights here.

Best regards
Section Chief

Very strange. For all other niche heights than 880 mm, the top white 86.5 field for niche height - plinth height results in the 775 mm specified in the dimension sketches. It is illogical that it should be different for the niche height of 880 mm.

I agree. Therefore, I would trust the dimension drawing rather than this table.
Besides, Stefan would not have needed his method back then to install the device.
I will contact Siemens again and report.
Best regards
Section Chief

So, I called Siemens, the problem is resolved: As suspected, the table is wrong! I have now received a "correct" table, in which the fields in column 880 are no longer white.

This raises a new question for me: During the dishwasher consultation, I learned that the semi-integrated models are generally about 100 euros cheaper than comparable fully integrated models. However, Siemens does not offer any semi-integrated models with a Vario hinge at all. In addition, the cheapest Siemens model with a Vario hinge (SX76P030EU) does not have a cutlery drawer and is otherwise not so great. The next more expensive model (SX778D01TE) with a Vario hinge and cutlery drawer is already over the 1000-euro mark, which is too expensive for me. Therefore, I would like to have a semi-integrated model, the SX56N596EU.

The question I am asking myself is whether the Stefan method can also be applied to semi-integrated models? It should be possible to mount a front piece (cut from a 10cm front) above the dishwasher panel and the dishwasher underneath. Unfortunately, we have the white Bodbyn front, and I am not sure if such a shortened front piece will still look good. However, the 10cm front has no profile compared to, for example, the 20cm front... Here is the dimension drawing of the semi-integrated dishwasher SX56N596EU:

Best regards Sektionschef

A semi-integrated appliance cannot have a Vario hinge because the control panel is above the front and therefore the front cannot slide upwards when opened. The total front height dimension is the same as for the fully integrated. Therefore, the Stefan method should work. Think carefully beforehand about how much it depends on the actual plinth height. Someone has already described more detailed considerations about the dimensions somewhere.

Hello,

We received this dishwasher SX 778D01TE today. We bought it for €820 including delivery.

Let's see if everything really fits in the end. I will report back.