House construction 2016 + gas heating

  • Erstellt am 2016-06-01 10:23:07

merlin83

2016-06-04 23:22:11
  • #1

Well, at least you can enjoy a free warm shower in the evening during midsummer at 40 degrees.

Why didn’t you consider controlled residential ventilation, special electricity tariffs, more insulation, or photovoltaic? We also have an east/west gable roof -> but I never wanted to put an ST on the roof. I kept the option of better insulation for emergencies.
 

T21150

2016-06-04 23:28:56
  • #2


I have controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery. It works great – very satisfied, very useful.

The insulation is also very okay. The house (KFW-70 certified) is very close to KFW-55, 40 euros gas/month on average per year including hot water.

Next step insulation additional base plate and more: 15-20k +, was too expensive for me to save another 5 euros per month.

I don’t need special electricity tariffs because I don’t operate a heat pump. My neighbor next door has one... and is so proud of his low costs of only 70/month for electricity that goes into the COP 2.7 box. The house is exactly the same size in sqm... completely comparable.

I tend to shower warm even in summer (then lukewarm). But the huge amounts of hot water available in good weather I don’t use up anyway. After 5-6 days of Azores high pressure (so here in Velbert once every 5 years, lol) the storage tank reaches 74 degrees – at least it saves me a thermal disinfection then. Luckily I installed a mixing valve, so we don’t burn ourselves with the then too hot water… so… I stick to it: solar thermal is pure nonsense here in this country.

Photovoltaics has been retrofitted since 07.04.16... also very satisfied. Much better than solar thermal.

Best regards Thorsten
 

merlin83

2016-06-04 23:32:54
  • #3
And who forced you to install solar thermal? Sounds basically very realistic for the Energy Saving Ordinance 2009... even without ST
 

T21150

2016-06-04 23:35:47
  • #4


Bought in 2013. Built in 2014.

Energy Saving Ordinance 2009.

The share of renewable energy required this strangely expensive, useless system. Yes.
Otherwise, the values show the house easily and comfortably manages everything with its left hand, it truly did not need this ST system. Even mathematically, the controlled residential ventilation/heat recovery provides significantly more, which is credible in practice. The ST values – fabricated, nicely calculated, pure idiocy.

It could have been avoided. With a heat pump.

But I did not want an air-water heat pump.

A GSHP: no deep drilling possible. No groundwater there. I would have had to lay 350 sqm of loops in the garden (extremely expensive... generally yes, here even more: Bergischer slate... blasting, drilling and going crazy... like many who built basements here with +40k extra costs and now tear their hair out). So I didn’t want that either – it was too expensive for me. Therefore gas heating, subsequently the ST madness.

Regards
Thorsten
 

T21150

2016-06-04 23:47:27
  • #5
PS: That is why I now also recommend the new BH air-to-water heat pump here in the forum.

You save the gas connection (which was really cheap here in Velbert, only 4,500 euros minus a nice 1,000-euro discount in a special promotion).

You save the capital costs for this ST investment total catastrophe.

Okay – air-to-water heat pumps cost more to purchase than a gas condensing boiler (those devices hardly cost anything anymore). I would have also had to take underfloor heating..... Oh, already more difficult... but okay. Compensable. And where I leave my 70 euros per month, whether in gas + capital costs or in air-to-water heat pump + electricity costs: gone is gone.....

In other words: Hindsight is always 20/20. Which is why today I would also (albeit still grinding my teeth) choose the air-to-water heat pump. Despite the necessary underfloor heating....

Photovoltaics combined with air-to-water heat pumps at least provide hot water cheerfully from March to October, even if the sun isn't shining directly......... Photovoltaics make much much more sense than ST in these latitudes.

Best regards
Thorsten
 

merlin83

2016-06-04 23:58:55
  • #6
That is of course annoying. Although I don't consider that to be generally valid. For many other builders (and also for us), a gas condensing boiler with controlled residential ventilation worked fine.
 

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