86bibo
2016-09-12 15:26:35
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260 k€ for a house in need of renovation with 120m² is not that cheap (of course it depends on the location). I also consider the 20,000€ very optimistic. Usually, the bathroom costs between 5-10k€, even if you do everything yourself and buy online. Sure, at Reuter etc. it looks cheap at first, but then the bases, connections, etc. are added. Then you still need fittings, etc. Have you ever checked how much shower enclosures cost? We are currently calculating our bathroom as well. Even with internet prices, I probably won’t get under 10,000€ without luxury. It’s similar with new electrical wiring. On the one hand, you want a bit more than what is already there (otherwise it often doesn’t make sense), and then a lot adds up. Switches, flush-mounted inserts, and sockets alone quickly cost 1,000€. The cables for this amount also aren’t free, and a fully equipped fuse box costs as well. Can you do the wiring yourself (including planning)? If you have to bring in an electrician every two days to discuss what goes where, that also costs. Moreover, an electrician doesn’t connect an entire house in 3 hours. This means costs are involved here. Even without major fancy features, I would estimate 3-5k€ here.
A lot has already been said about flooring. Basically, nothing is feasible under 20€/m². That would already be very cheap because with inexpensive laminate (12-15€) you still have to add impact sound insulation and baseboards. If your floors are uneven, it can get expensive quite quickly. Wallpaper for 1,000€ is then probably just "Raufaser," right? I would estimate that about 150m needs to be wallpapered. That means 75 rolls of wallpaper with room heights up to 2.5m. Plus paste, tools, paint, etc. I’ve left out ceilings for now. Maybe those can stay. It is very difficult to estimate heating without having seen it. A simple heating system replacement usually starts at 6-7k€. If radiators and/or pipes also need to be replaced, it can quickly get complicated.
Don’t underestimate all the “stuff” around it. When I think about how much money you spend on “little things.” A new mailbox, a broken doorbell, a new lamp, curtains, towel holders,... These are all things you don’t even notice, but which annoy you if they’re not done. You can easily spend a thousand on that too.
Regarding your financing: Your equity seems just enough to cover the incidental costs (around 16-19k€), assuming no realtor is involved. That means you can still get the 260k€ for the house financed by the bank. For the remaining 30k€ for renovation, it gets difficult because these can’t be directly reflected in the value. Some banks calculate 50% as value increase, some not at all; some may be able to fully finance the sum by “adjusting” with own services. But it always depends on the individual advisor and the bank. Since 01.04., it has become noticeably more difficult. Previously, the house bank might have turned a blind eye if the other data was correct. Additionally, there’s how high the bank assesses the house’s value. They have software that calculates a lending value based on comparable values. If, for example, that only comes to 220k€, you’re missing another 40k€ as “security.” Most banks don’t/won’t anymore finance over 100%. That means the rest has to be covered by other loans. However, the 50,000€ from your offer aren’t insignificant, since such loans on the one hand have high interest rates and on the other are short-term. The money generally has to be repaid in 10 years, so no money is usually available in this time to repay the main loan. It becomes worse if you only agree on a 10-year fixed interest period. Then you have to refinance after 10 years, have barely paid off any of the 260k€, but your house has aged and is therefore worth less (unless the land value rises exorbitantly). The refinancing then becomes a balancing act and can be almost worse than the initial financing.
Regarding time planning: In one month we managed the following (weekends always fully with 4 people, during the week 2 people 3 hours per day, plus 2 people one week full-time):
- Wallpapered 2 rooms (35m²+12m²)
- Paneled ceilings in 2 rooms (35m²+12m²)
- Installed network cables in the house (approx. 80m cable partly in already existing conduits, some lines flush-mounted, some access points)
- Basic cleaning of the house (certainly a full week in total)
- Little things (mowed and watered lawn, replaced broken lamps, installed lamps, coat racks and clocks, etc.)
I don’t know where all the time went, but after one month, we were just able to completely furnish the ground floor. But the entire basement was still full of boxes (even 2 months after moving in).
A lot has already been said about flooring. Basically, nothing is feasible under 20€/m². That would already be very cheap because with inexpensive laminate (12-15€) you still have to add impact sound insulation and baseboards. If your floors are uneven, it can get expensive quite quickly. Wallpaper for 1,000€ is then probably just "Raufaser," right? I would estimate that about 150m needs to be wallpapered. That means 75 rolls of wallpaper with room heights up to 2.5m. Plus paste, tools, paint, etc. I’ve left out ceilings for now. Maybe those can stay. It is very difficult to estimate heating without having seen it. A simple heating system replacement usually starts at 6-7k€. If radiators and/or pipes also need to be replaced, it can quickly get complicated.
Don’t underestimate all the “stuff” around it. When I think about how much money you spend on “little things.” A new mailbox, a broken doorbell, a new lamp, curtains, towel holders,... These are all things you don’t even notice, but which annoy you if they’re not done. You can easily spend a thousand on that too.
Regarding your financing: Your equity seems just enough to cover the incidental costs (around 16-19k€), assuming no realtor is involved. That means you can still get the 260k€ for the house financed by the bank. For the remaining 30k€ for renovation, it gets difficult because these can’t be directly reflected in the value. Some banks calculate 50% as value increase, some not at all; some may be able to fully finance the sum by “adjusting” with own services. But it always depends on the individual advisor and the bank. Since 01.04., it has become noticeably more difficult. Previously, the house bank might have turned a blind eye if the other data was correct. Additionally, there’s how high the bank assesses the house’s value. They have software that calculates a lending value based on comparable values. If, for example, that only comes to 220k€, you’re missing another 40k€ as “security.” Most banks don’t/won’t anymore finance over 100%. That means the rest has to be covered by other loans. However, the 50,000€ from your offer aren’t insignificant, since such loans on the one hand have high interest rates and on the other are short-term. The money generally has to be repaid in 10 years, so no money is usually available in this time to repay the main loan. It becomes worse if you only agree on a 10-year fixed interest period. Then you have to refinance after 10 years, have barely paid off any of the 260k€, but your house has aged and is therefore worth less (unless the land value rises exorbitantly). The refinancing then becomes a balancing act and can be almost worse than the initial financing.
Regarding time planning: In one month we managed the following (weekends always fully with 4 people, during the week 2 people 3 hours per day, plus 2 people one week full-time):
- Wallpapered 2 rooms (35m²+12m²)
- Paneled ceilings in 2 rooms (35m²+12m²)
- Installed network cables in the house (approx. 80m cable partly in already existing conduits, some lines flush-mounted, some access points)
- Basic cleaning of the house (certainly a full week in total)
- Little things (mowed and watered lawn, replaced broken lamps, installed lamps, coat racks and clocks, etc.)
I don’t know where all the time went, but after one month, we were just able to completely furnish the ground floor. But the entire basement was still full of boxes (even 2 months after moving in).