Floor plan ideas, 2.5 stories

I am not resistant to advice at all, we can gladly continue discussing the floor plan now or you can just stoop down to this flame level which I otherwise know from the green forum. In 95 percent of the cases, the contributions from the architects there are simply useless, and some of the amateurs there came up with significantly better suggestions and ideas than those who call themselves architects.

An architect is basically only needed where more complex but boring and faceless large buildings are built. Open-plan offices with a hundred identical offices in a row; huge apartment buildings with 10 sqm children's rooms shaped like tubes; new apartments with absurdly bad floor plans – all the work of architects and that is what they are suited for.

The way our cities are disfigured today – architects. I don’t know what people learn in their studies – they certainly don’t learn how to design floor plans, apartments, and livable residential space. They probably learn more about how to install wiring and shafts in such an open-plan office or how to cheaply slap together a faceless large residential complex with minimum standards.

Speaking of the incompetence of architects – our office building was also designed by an architect and he also carried out the construction management. There are tons of plastering plans, he largely forgot the network installation (in an office! not even empty conduits, nothing...), so that it was later laboriously surface-mounted; all in all, it is simply badly done (radiators partially undersized; partly poor natural lighting situation; venetian blinds without wind sensors; many, many details) – another work of an architect (2000s). For one of our production halls, the roof load was calculated incorrectly for the sprinkler system. In other words, the architect forgot to include the sprinkler system in the planning, and of course, the structural engineer did not calculate it.

For house construction, a building permit specialist is needed and this can be instead of an architect also a civil engineer or a structural engineer/civil engineer – in emergencies, a stamping person will do. Given the high unemployment rate and the low salaries, almost every architect is probably glad to be allowed to play the stamping person.

Pointless discussion about architects ended. I will entrust my house planning later to someone who really understands the subject – a civil engineer. But the floor plan should be finished beforehand.

So here is the floor plan, that can be discussed. I am happy to be advised, I take all tips, whether from builders, interested amateurs, or architects. So far, the most sensible comments have come from builders and interested amateurs and hardly anything sensible from architects. That does not convince me at all to pay a penny for it.

Ground floor


Upper floor version a)


Upper floor version b)

(windows will still be arranged in the middle, etc.)

Attic not finished yet

I prefer version B - but with a centered window element - maybe also not floor-to-ceiling, with a couch in front of it. You can't really use the bay window in the children's rooms anyway and you get the feeling that you're walking into a wall (I can imagine that). Otherwise, I think the floor plans are good.

From the outside, it wouldn't be my taste - but well, I think I wouldn't care anyway - in a new development area with many of these boxes, it might even look okay.

The kitchen planner was here today for the measurements and said "wow, that's really big, from the outside it looks smaller" (with a slightly open mouth) - so I guess we didn't hit the jackpot there either.

I have often had to smile at your ideas, but where you are definitely right is about the architects and their consumed wisdom.

Good morning

Nice that the architects have already been explained like that. Great. I suspect, however, that it is similar with the Dipl. Kaufleute and MB technicians, what do they even do anyway. I am quite sure about the installers. Such blanket statements are just a big mistake!

The tone in the green forum is quite clear. What Grym and others have posted was / is not even remotely useful. The architects then start anew and the laymen try to achieve good results by "moving walls".

The posted floor plan is then, as I find, quite good. But the external effect still needs a lot of work.

Olli

Hello,

.... and some of the laypeople there came up with clearly better suggestions and ideas than those who call themselves architects.

Have you ever considered that these users might also be catering to your expectations? Laypeople can hardly develop spatial concepts that go beyond the practical level—unless they have an artistic streak, like photographers, for example.

While we're on the topic of architects' incompetence ...

I would like to ask you to refrain from these generalizations; aside from being poor style, they are really not welcome here and do not fit the tone of the forum.

Wrobel was faster but hits the nail on the head. In every profession, there are good and less good people. You have decided to shoulder your construction project with a civil engineer; in my opinion, that is also the best decision for you. Especially since civil engineers have little to do—or want to have little to do—with creative designs and prefer to "only" handle the application and awarding process. In this respect, you, with your wish to develop your own floor plan, and a matter-of-fact civil engineer fit well together. Leave it at that and be glad that you can check off this part of the search.

Rhenish greetings

To move away from the unqualified whining about supposedly incompetent architects once again, I have to agree with Yvonne in this case. I don’t like the floor plan either. The house even less. It is a large, impersonal block whose windows look like those of a Lego children’s house. If there actually is a budget available to build a house of this size, I strongly advise hiring someone who can actually design something like this. Our house is about the same size but, in my opinion, has something like a "soul"; this is missing here. The only thing considered is whether all the necessary square meters have somehow been accommodated. The comparison with other, not exactly sympathetic houses does not make it any better. And by the way, whether I want floor-to-ceiling windows everywhere (currently very fashionable) is something I would reconsider. If a washing machine or something similar stands in front of them, it won’t look so great from the outside anymore.