Floor plan design of a 100 m² bungalow with expansion reserve

  • Erstellt am 2024-06-30 22:25:45

motorradsilke

2024-07-02 07:50:32
  • #1
I can't think of a guest who wouldn't be allowed in my bathroom.

But aside from that, I wouldn't want the bedroom in the middle of the house (if there's a second person, that's already not nice), nor the terrace in the east and the living and dining rooms in the north and east.
 

ypg

2024-07-02 09:02:56
  • #2
Here the wishes and needs of a man are depicted. When you place the house on the plot, you realize that there is no garden at all. There is only a strip around it. The driveway/double carport with 7 meters is wider than the garden strip on the left side of the plan. The house is approximately 11.50 by 22.50 in depth, hardly anything remains if you subtract one meter for a hedge. I think it is the wrong house for the plot.


That says a lot. A wide driveway has nothing to do with quality when you use a backup camera nowadays. And you can widen/narrow the width individually, so the front doesn’t have to be exactly as wide as the carport. For me, this is clearly a man thing – the driveway, which others also see, must look big and strong.

I once briefly sketched that a slimmer gable roof would be the better solution, wide enough so that a staircase at 30 degrees reaches the ridge. And then zoned, with the entrance on the long side at the courtyard, living in the west and private rooms in the east. Kitchen in the south, utility room to the north.
 

K a t j a

2024-07-02 10:13:29
  • #3
Thanks, now the nonsense with the huge driveway and the mega men's garage is clear to me. I'm out with such rubbish. You can continue planning the dark hut without a garden and with total sealing on your own.
 

MachsSelbst

2024-07-03 14:08:54
  • #4
Are you even allowed to exceed the floor area ratio by that much? 540m² floor area ratio 0.3, meaning you are allowed to build 162m² and there are indeed development plans that exclude permissible exceedance for paths and ancillary facilities.

Your bungalow alone already has 132m² floor area, the double carport and the driveway easily 100.

By the way, I find our 4.5m wide driveway quite practical when cars are parked there and the children roll their bikes along it. But. Children and their peculiarities are rarely a topic for some, I know.
 

Trapo144

2024-07-03 19:09:09
  • #5
Thank you very much for the many further suggestions and comments since my last post.



A gable roof with a 30-degree pitch would have significantly less area than a hip roof, but are we simply leaving out the attic space then? Should that still be enough as conversion reserve for two rooms plus a bathroom?

Rough calculation:
For a hip roof with a 45-degree pitch and 10 x 10 m² base area I get
Area with height more than 2 m: 8 x 8 m² = 64 m²
Area with height 1 m to 2 m: 9 x 9 m² - 64 m² = 17 m²
Giving a theoretical total area of 64 m² + 17/2 m² = 72.5 m²

For a gable roof with a 45-degree pitch and 10 x 10 m² base area, on the other hand,
Area with height more than 2 m: 3.08 x 10 m² = 30.8 m²
Area with height 1 m to 2 m: 6.44 x 10 m² - 30.8 m² = 33.6 m²
Giving a theoretical total area of 30.8 m² + 33.6/2 m² = 47.6 m²


Okay, I'll have to find out more about that.


I'll think that over again, thanks for the hint.


Driveway and carport together are probably too huge, that's true. So you would recommend moving the carport further forward? Practically up to the house boundary? Although it surely depends on which side the driveway is and whether it then becomes wider or not.


That's true, I didn't think about light and cardinal directions. The second design is indeed from the architect but corresponds quite exactly to what I sketched on the drawing board. And there I only tried to combine the arrangement and size of the rooms with my naive wishes.

Artificial light in winter indeed doesn't sound very inviting. I will sketch your suggestion from the other post and see how it looks on paper.


There is only one car. But the carport should have space for two cars, and then such a wide driveway would make sense. At least that was my thinking. But now I know that the driveway can be narrower than the carport.


I probably don't need two tables. However, I would like to have a seating area in the kitchen to eat a small meal. And I actually like a shared living/dining area. I have to think about how and whether to possibly solve it differently. Thanks for the hint.


That idea sounds very interesting, I will see if I can maybe incorporate it in the next draft.


There are no regulations for building lines and ridge alignments, as far as I have seen. However, the eaves height for the houses on my street must not exceed 3.7 m.


I couldn’t access the attic or even use it as simple storage without a staircase at all. So I would like to have the staircase included right away. But thanks for the hint.


I understand the driveway length should be shortened. The house should have two covered parking spaces. That's not unusual, right? And together with the path to the storage room that's 7 m width. Should I instead plan a single carport? But I can’t simply expand that. I would still have to reserve a total of 7 m area next to the house.

The garden size naturally suffers from that. But I couldn’t see how it would work otherwise. Roughly calculated: The plot had an area of 22.5 x 24 m². From the street to the start of the house are 3 m. The house length is 11.5 m. Adding 1 m hedge gives 22.5 m - 15.5 m = 7 m above the house. That is then 24 x 7 m² = 168 m² area above the house.

On the left side, analogously: 24 m - 7 m (carport) - 11.5 m (house) - 1 m (hedge) - 1 m (path) = 3.5 m (beside the house)
Area beside the house: 3.5 x 11.5 m² = 40.24 m²

In total beside and behind the house 208.24 m². Subtracting about 15 m² for the terrace leaves 193.24 m² area for garden and other things beside and above the house.
That’s not "no garden at all," is it? How big should a garden be?


I don't want to impress anyone with the driveway. I didn’t even know until now that it’s apparently some kind of status symbol for men. I don’t drive very often and don’t have a reversing camera either. But based on the experiences of people in my personal environment and myself, a wide driveway is more comfortable. Whether it’s because the streets in new neighborhoods have become very narrow lately, other cars block the street, or some beds restrict it.
Of course, the justified objection now is: "If you drive so rarely, why all the effort for such a wide driveway?" The many hours in house and garden surely weigh more than an average of 10 minutes of parking. But as written above, light and cardinal directions were hardly considered in the plan. I myself didn’t know better, and my architect didn’t think it necessary to correct me. But never mind, now I know.

Okay, I want to try a new draft now.

Here’s a sketch where the architect's design is mirrored. Driveway is shorter and goes diagonally. The living room gets a bit more sun due to partial orientation to the south.

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Here is a sketch where I have drawn in some of your suggestions as I understood them:

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Carport in the north, kitchen and living room at an angle toward southeast, bedroom in the (north) east, utility room in the north.
I didn’t manage the bedroom opposite the bathroom.
Should the kitchen in the south then be swapped with the bathroom? Although I actually like short routes between kitchen and utility room, kitchen and terrace, and kitchen and living-dining area.

I would be very happy to get feedback on this sketch, thanks.



Good hint, thanks. I checked the zoning plan again and it says

So I should actually be allowed to seal another 162 m² for other things.
 

hanse987

2024-07-03 20:46:43
  • #6
Everything has its advantages and disadvantages. If you insulate the roof right away, you also heat the rooms in the attic with the ground floor, which results in a higher flow temperature of the heating and higher heating costs. If you insulate the intermediate ceiling, then when converting, you have to insulate the roof, which means double the work and costs. Besides the intermediate ceiling, the stairway and the door must also be insulated. If the conversion is planned within a few years, I would do the former. If the question is whether it will ever be converted at all, then I would do the latter.
 

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