Error from the office - No legally compliant and error-free development plan

2020-01-31 22:56:27

Civil servants... Quite a difficult topic.
Fools and idiots definitely exist in every industry!

However, I would not be surprised if the proportion of the "really smart ones" in the office is relatively high.

I do feel sorry for the civil servants in the lower and middle service financially, at least.
On the other hand, they chose it themselves...

Everyone is the architect of their own fortune.

2020-02-01 01:39:34

I argue that the idiot quota is evenly distributed across all groups of people. How many of them one believes to be around has more to do with one's own attitude than with the group.

On the topic:
It is completely normal for mistakes to happen. It happens that these do not go unnoticed by several people. That in itself is not the problem. The problem only arises when the faulty matter is poorly handled. The reasons for this can lie in the personal, organizational, or social sphere - as a rule, they are emotional rather than factual in nature.

Consequence:
Anyone interested in authorities dealing well and correctively with errors does themselves a disservice if they deliberately or generally attack, threaten, or disparage people. The social pressure on people who make mistakes seems to have grown enormously. I find that worrisome.

2020-02-01 07:26:58

a civil servant thread...
I have met many nice ones so far and just have a guess why their impression is so negative:
it’s probably due to the terrible straitjacket of regulations and procedures, that you simply aren’t allowed to deal with something "quickly and unbureaucratically." Maybe many/some enter the respective fields with a certain eagerness to act, possibly also with the will to change something (like in politics), and then at some point get frustrated realizing that it doesn’t work because the entrenched ones don’t go along or the regulations simply don’t allow it.
That they have to work according to the rules because otherwise they would be immediately complained about.
Even if the regulation is completely ridiculous.
Of course that frustrates you, and then you no longer go to work happily but just work through the madness.

Of course there are also simply idiots and clueless people, just like in any other profession.

Quickly and unbureaucratically not everyone can/may either. I once had something with the city where 2 authorities and a company each saw responsibility at the other. My problem as a citizen was not solved. I then went to the local press. The problem was resolved and admonishing words were directed at me. It shouldn’t have been necessary, talking is better than such an action. That beforehand a department head always quoted some laws and lectured was okay again. But yes, even in the private sector many structures hinder processes. Also in my company. Especially when decisions were always made from above and suddenly the employee has decision-making freedom. Not everyone can handle that. I wouldn’t call that subject-matter idiots, but “we’ve always done it this way” and “let’s ask the boss.”

2020-02-01 09:35:57

I would rather say deliberately trained. No matter whether (real) civil servant or their corporate counterpart. One is simply the product of one's own environment.

2020-02-01 09:36:30

Anyone interested in authorities handling mistakes well and in a corrective manner does themselves a disservice by deliberately or generally attacking, threatening, or disparaging people. The social pressure on people who make mistakes seems to me to have grown enormously. I find that worrying.

I totally agree with you, for example when it comes to Mr. Müller correcting his tax return. From my perspective, the trainee can do that 10 times and still make mistakes – I couldn’t care less. But when the experts come together and plan the city’s future over decades, then you should be able to expect a bit more diligence. Aside from that, I find the discussion about civil servants or non-civil servants completely misplaced. It’s not even clear who made some of the partly questionable decisions here. In general, I have the highest respect for the work of civil servants. And I don’t even want to start talking about the police officers – it’s a miracle that anyone still does that job.

2020-02-01 10:12:35

Then maybe generalizations should be avoided. That is absolutely inappropriate and often very offensive to the majority.... Not just in this case.

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