Energy Saving Ordinance 2014 - Gas boiler without solar?

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Bauexperte

2015-10-22 01:04:41
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You’re welcome, even though I don’t know what you’re thanking me for

Rheinische Grüße
 

Rafaelsen

2015-10-22 08:22:01
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Good morning. We visited Okal Haus and had a house calculated. The surcharge from Kfw 70 with gas to KFW 55 with heat pump was €9000. The surcharge from Kfw 70 with gas to Kfw 70 with heat pump was still €4000.
 

Rafaelsen

2015-10-22 08:33:16
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Good morning.

Thank you for the description of the ventilation.

Since the fireplace is supposed to have a passive warm air distribution into the hallway, the study, and upstairs into the hallway, the ventilation will probably take care of the rest.

I will probably have to hear about the noise level myself.

So gas according to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016 with a creative energy consultant.

That's how it is in socialism. You have to be creative.

I will probably not get around a conversation to be sure. Or I have to wait until 2016 and see what happens with all the prefab/masonry house providers.

What surprises me is that the manufacturers of gas heating systems take it quite lightly.
 

Rafaelsen

2015-10-22 08:42:53
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Good morning.
Thanks for the graphics.
Now I can imagine it a bit.
So the conclusion is that it works but is associated with extra effort.

What about, for example, a micro combined heat and power plant or a natural gas heat pump, zeolite gas heat pump? Some providers build such devices.

Does anyone have experience with this?
In terms of price, the zeolite gas heat pump is, for example, below that of a brine heat pump.

Best regards
 

Bauexperte

2015-10-22 11:35:27
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Good day,


Building with a subsidiary of Deutsche Fertighaus Holding has always been something special. Btw. also their contracts; read/consult carefully so that you know exactly "what" you accept.


Yes. Only the additional effort will be so high that gas is currently no longer the inexpensive solution in advance at all. I can also well imagine moving back towards 50 cm walls including ETICS in combination with gas again; inconvenient for a semi-detached house. I am very curious how the commissioned advertising agency will make this appealing to the gas clientele. In my opinion, the manufacturers of ETICS are once again the winners, since comparable mineral/natural insulation is still too expensive.


A brine-water heat pump will receive A+ status from January (an air-water heat pump "only" A), but it is – in private house construction – an expensive nice to have, which is why we do not recommend it as the first choice. Those who decide on this heat generator know this and therefore it is a good decision!

I cannot provide you with any information on gas heat pumps, as we have completely banned gas as a heat generator from our BB; therefore I do not know their costs.

Rhenish regards
 

Username_wahl

2015-10-22 12:07:37
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We are building KfW-55, designed with a gas condensing boiler plus solar, underfloor heating, and decentralized controlled residential ventilation. According to our architect/energy consultant, this is still currently the most cost-effective solution. Heat pumps consume a lot of electricity, which mostly comes from nuclear power or fossil fuels, and due to losses in production only one third reaches the end customer, so I don’t know what is supposed to be more environmentally friendly about that. If money were no object, pellet heating would be my favorite, but according to everything you read in the NEH, it is not profitable.
 

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