Energy Saving Ordinance 2014 - Gas boiler without solar?

  • Erstellt am 2015-10-21 14:05:42

Rafaelsen

2015-10-21 19:33:43
  • #1


Hello Merlin. I imagine the configuration just like that. How did you insulate?
 

Rafaelsen

2015-10-21 19:45:40
  • #2


I know how a heat pump works. I also know how a refrigerator works.
It is the same principle, but they are still completely differently constructed devices.
How many 20-year-old refrigerators do you know?
I also believe you that you can heat 300 sqm with a heat pump. The costs might also be correct. What kind of heat pump do you use? Air, brine, or water?
A gas heating system would simply be even cheaper.

Pellet heating is also no alternative. The heating system is expensive and pellet prices have also risen sharply.
 

Bauexperte

2015-10-21 19:56:59
  • #3
You are carrying a lot of "hearsay" and distrust in your backpack.... maybe also a bit of resistance to learning? If you absolutely want gas, YOU MUST submit the building application this year, otherwise it won’t work; the deadline is 12/31/15. But: even with controlled residential ventilation, it is only just possible to achieve KfW 70, as has confirmed to you. Btw. we replaced our 20-year-old refrigerator with a new one this year; it was by no means broken. I guess you are carrying the idea of an LLWP with you – regarding your negative statements about electricity costs. This heat pump is sensibly and thus economically used only from KfW 40, better yet PH. If it is installed in simple KfW houses, it is no wonder their occupants pay a lot for electricity. Rhine regards from on the road
 

ypg

2015-10-21 20:01:33
  • #4
Forget the gas stove! I always wanted one too... That was before the time of the induction stove. It combines the advantages of a gas stove and an electric stove. But the question still arises for me: why not a gas stove with a gas cylinder? That doesn't differ in the flame that flames out of the stove.
 

nordanney

2015-10-21 20:05:45
  • #5

A compressor is a compressor

By the way, in the last 20 years (I haven't lived alone longer than that) I have never thrown away a refrigerator. We also never had one that broke. Replacement of about a 20-year-old chest freezer with a new model because we needed more space. A device about 15-18 years old in the garden shed for summer parties.

We ourselves use a brine heat pump. It was suitable for the ground and the size of the house.

What do you think the gas heating costs you compared to the heat pump? In terms of purchase, maintenance, and consumption – with your statements you must have done a calculation.
 

Rafaelsen

2015-10-21 20:10:15
  • #6


Dear people.
Do you really know that you can no longer get a gas heating system approved starting with the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016, or is this also just hearsay?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I’ve read, the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016 sets the KfW 70 standard as the norm. But you can reach the KfW 70 standard with a gas heating system. And that without solar.

This sounds more like a promotional event for heat pumps here.
I’m not referring to air-to-air heat pumps either. But air-to-water heat pumps also consume a lot of electricity, due to the low annual performance factor. What can such a system achieve including hot water preparation? 2.3? 2.5?
And the investment costs for a ground or groundwater heat pump are significantly higher.
 

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