Drainage planning duplex house costs

We still do not have a contract (I obviously need to follow up more strongly), but in the cost breakdown it says:

In whose breakdown; how have you come to an agreement with the architect "without a contract" or on what basis did he start with his (pre)services? (a freelancer does not need a "commercially organized business operation," but that he should operate a paper system on verbal request is not explicitly meant by that either).

We still don't have a contract (I obviously need to follow up more strongly), but the cost breakdown states: Drainage application architect flat rate 1000€

A verbal contract is also a contract. Simply commissioning the architect means according to HOAI, which is not cheap. The planning should be included as stated above (even without an extra 1000 euros!)

In whose lineup; how did you become "contract-less" in agreement with the architect or on what basis did he start with his (pre)services? (A freelancer does not need a "commercially organized business operation," but that he should operate a paperwork mess on demand is not explicitly meant by that either).

The ones he created together with us. In case the question is whether I made that up and wrote it down like that? I don’t quite understand your last bracketed sentence.

An oral contract is still a contract. Simply commissioning an architect means, according to HOAI, which is not cheap. The planning should be included as mentioned above (even without an extra 1000 euros!)

Everything seems to be very complicated in Dortmund (the construction obstruction authority takes 6 months for the very straightforward construction applications). We have an invoice from another construction project (2018, also Dortmund), where the engineering office therefore accompanied the drainage planning (800€), in email contact (in our possession) the engineering office describes that the architectural office did the basic planning themselves. Now it is supposed to be completely handed over and we are supposed to pay, although, as noted above in the cost breakdown.

An oral contract is a contract as well. Simply commissioning an architect means according to HOAI, which is not cheap. The planning should be included as written above (even without an extra 1000 euros!)

The ones he created together with us. If the question is whether I made that up and just wrote it down? I don’t quite understand your last bracketed sentence.

As I already said (elsewhere) the day before yesterday:

I will never understand how clients, simply because they are not merchants, can behave during a house construction as if it were pocket money business.

... and that he himself was involved in this statement, I would interpret as a mutually created cost estimate (which he could hardly exceed by more than 20% without further ado). Accordingly, you get a 4.5 thousand credit from the general contractor for having the architect, instead of the draftsman, perform service phase 4, and now you are supposed to push almost all of that only for a partial service subcontracted to a sub-engineer??? Your "you should perhaps inquire more" is probably a euphemism nominated for the naivety Oscar?

As I already said (elsewhere) the day before yesterday: ... and that he himself was involved in this schedule, I would interpret as a mutually agreed cost estimate (which he could hardly exceed by more than 20%). Accordingly, you are getting a credit of 4.5 thousand from the general contractor for having the architect rather than the draftsman do service phase 4, and now you’re supposed to increase almost all of that just for a partial service subcontracted to a sub-engineer??? You "might have to inquire more" is probably a euphemism nominated for the Blue-eyed Naivety Oscar?

Yes, really stupid of us, I agree with you and I’m annoyed too. However, my colleague planned with him and was satisfied and in addition, he is the godfather of a good friend of mine, which is probably why we were less attentive. I’m already trying to reach him.