Architect search Munich + surrounding area (recommendations?)

In the past few months, we have already "designed" our house with the desired room layout etc. using various programs and discussed these plans (including 3D views) with the responsible building authority and, after a long back and forth, also reached an informal agreement regarding exemption applications.

Are we still talking about the same project as shown in

We designed our "dream house" and a possible gable roof construction,

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Now we still need an experienced architect to give the plans the finishing touch, to bring in good detailed suggestions, and to submit the building application with us (performance phases 1 to 4) (optional including construction supervision up to performance phase 8).

Hiring an experienced architect to "just finesse" a layperson’s draft would be "casting pearls before swine" in its highest perfection.

We have now contacted some architects, held some talks, and are somewhat shocked by the offers so far, since everyone only wants to bill according to HOAI and intends to charge us about €25,000 to €38,000 net for performance phases 1-4. All performance phases up to 8 come to about €100,000 (net)…

Not only according to HOAI is the work no easier at all for the architect when the client comes with an "almost finished" draft – even if preliminary talks with the building authority have already taken place. Starting from zero or a blank sheet, the architect’s work is much easier than just "doing the finishing touch" from a (supposedly) semifinal stage.

Sorry . Total off-topic and I don’t want to waste my time responding. (You have no idea about our plans and preliminary work)

If nothing meaningful can be contributed, just move on...

Have a nice evening.

If nothing useful can be contributed, just move on...

That's coming from the right person - if you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

Sorry @11ant. Total off-topic and I don't want to waste my time responding.

I didn't think my time was too precious to try to help you. A former boss of mine would have classified your ingratitude as "not necessary."

To the two who asked: We compared a lot of construction companies and ultimately decided on BradlBau (turnkey, based in the Augsburg area). As with any construction company, there are also disadvantages here, but so far we are overall very satisfied (although we haven’t started building yet, that has to be said :). Our architect comes from the Thomas Wegmann architectural firm. He has also already supported clients from the beginning at Bradl and developed houses with them; with him, we would certainly have built a house that we like just as much, but without very expensive details. Recommendations are always difficult because everyone is also different on a personal level, but Mr. Simon fits us perfectly: He lets me have my stubbornness in details that are important to me, but gives very good advice, offers various options, independently points out weaknesses in the previous planning, and is also a nice person with a fine sense of humor.
We definitely would not have trusted ourselves with individual awarding of trades, because on the one hand, for everything that has to be commissioned outside the schedule (fireplace, kitchen, outdoor facilities, etc.), there is a hefty Munich surcharge everywhere, and I really find it a mystery in Munich how anyone has the time to keep a reasonably sensible schedule. But if you absolutely want to do that, I would definitely make sure that your architect is not too old (our first architect would not have taken on construction management due to age anyway) and really knows current prices in Munich and the surrounding area. Fortunately, the estimates of our first architect were debunked as illusions before signing the contract with our general contractor, so we were able to plan for realistic financing.

As a native of Munich, I’ll just say "hello" to everyone. We are now starting our new construction project in the new year.

We have completed LPH 1 - 4 (and about 3/4 of LPH 5) with our first architectural team. The whole project will now be handed over to a new team that will accompany us up to LPH 8.

We also bill according to HOAI. But as already mentioned here, the amounts are considerable. Of course, I am aware that our project is anything but a typical single-family house...

We are more than satisfied with our architects.

Of course I am aware that our project is anything but a normal single-family house...

A key reason why I did not link to your project here.