Alternative facade in clinker look

  • Erstellt am 2019-02-19 09:51:06

Lumpi_LE

2019-02-20 14:40:14
  • #1
No, I say "if it's done normally, it looks stupid". As mentioned, I wouldn't do it, but as mentioned, there are also people who do it. And as always, "You get what you pay for"... It's not cheaper for no reason. If it were equivalent, there wouldn't be brick facades. The architect himself also advised against it, although his cost estimate for the extra bricks is completely off the mark – as someone wrote from personal experience three posts ago.
 

Kekse

2019-02-20 14:47:47
  • #2
And I claim that you simply do not recognize the normal/well-made strap facades as such. Because you cannot recognize them.
 

11ant

2019-02-20 14:50:51
  • #3
Especially on the topic of corners: with solid prefabricated houses (with wall panels made of porous bricks or the like), it is not uncommon for the cladding to be done at the factory - and for each panel individually, meaning the house corners are not "interlocked". I then don't see much quality difference compared to facing bricks without corner pieces (which even do-it-yourselfers hardly do anymore).
 

Waeller

2019-02-20 15:25:41
  • #4
Once again about the costs: I find the surcharge for the hand-formed clinker plausible; if you add the savings from the omitted plaster, it effectively amounts to €140 per sqm. These are values that align with what I find on various construction websites online. The very moderate surcharge that was mentioned a few lines above seems rather atypically low to me. However, I am happy to be corrected, which is why I am asking.
 

11ant

2019-02-20 16:50:03
  • #5
The problem here is comparing apples (with sugar glaze) to pears (with cream) – that simply cannot be transparent.

The wall planned so far is "complete" in the sense that no additional wall shell is needed. Therefore, the supplier logically suggests not presenting a full masonry shell there – and thus actually an "excess" – but alternatively to use a full brick layer on the complete wall instead of the clinker veneer layer, and then place this in front of a multi-shell wall accordingly.

I question this measure in its intention and especially in its extent if the builder is reportedly only after the optical effect for which the sliced clinker serves its purpose qualitatively fully. So much for the partial question of whether the effort of the "clinker" full shell is necessary or even in any way superior: clearly "no" in both technical and qualitative terms.

The second aspect of the question is whether to follow the proposal of the alternative wall construction. And here, atypically, not the same construction material is suggested in a thinner thickness for the then only "inside" wall shell, but a system change to a construction wall shell of the type "insulating foam block".

But this is a profound change with, from my point of view, three disadvantages:
1. it is inappropriately complex for the desired outcome, without any worthwhile benefit;
2. it requires personnel with completely different processing experience for both wall shells (and in my expectation is also not neutral with respect to statics in the sense that the calculations would have to be different);
3. it makes the comparison difficult for the lay builder to evaluate competently on their own terms.

In particular, point 3 would be the decisive argument for rejection for me, no matter how nearly price-neutral the switch might be.
 

dertill

2019-02-21 08:00:14
  • #6


In Schleswig-Holstein, you see many examples of both. "Real" clinker bricks with 11.5 cm thickness or houses subsequently fitted with brick slips. The latter really range from totally amateurishly executed to technically neat but visually inconsistent, up to well-made and coherent. BUT: You can tell. Window reveals, window lintels, roof edge/rafter support, plinth view, etc. That doesn’t necessarily have to be bad, but a brick slip façade is simply constructed differently than a facing shell on its own foundation.



That is probably due to the construction region of Hessen. In the North, 17.5 cm sand-lime brick + cavity insulation + 11.5 cm facing brick is almost the building standard. There are general contractors who offer clinker bricks in their price lists at the same price as plaster (whether there is then a difference in wall structure, I do not know).

But I would avoid the stuff with the EPS shells. Then afterwards you have EPS on the inside of all walls or all external walls at first.
 

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