What is the maximum rate for a net salary of 3,000 euros?

  • Erstellt am 2013-02-15 10:02:53

Shism

2013-02-27 11:49:40
  • #1
I recently received the cost calculation from our architect and when I convert the total costs to the living area, I end up with ~1930€/m² living area including additional costs, a double garage + balcony as well as (partial) cellar. Then there are the outdoor facilities, kitchen, and lighting on top of that..

Just to throw a few additional number examples into the mix
 

Nilo

2013-02-27 16:13:03
  • #2
According to our architect's cost accounting, we end up at approximately 1700,- EUR/sqm including ancillary costs without basement, garage, and [Außenanlagen]. This corresponds with the offers of two developers, if I add the additional costs/ancillary costs to the offers.
 

Leon

2013-02-27 18:32:20
  • #3
So 1700.- / sqm sounds good. The above-mentioned breakdown of additional costs is, in my opinion, really set very low. Just the soil survey would cost us 3000 euros (according to my neighbor who swears by it). The other values also seem very low to me. Except for the carport... you can get that cheaper!
 

Nilo

2013-02-27 21:51:40
  • #4
So we refer to a city villa, Kfw70, 160 sqm living space, medium standard. As mentioned, the architect's cost estimate matches two offers from developers (if I add another 40,000 EUR for incidental construction costs with them, which are already included in the architect's calculation). Also, the three banks where we applied for construction financing confirm the cost estimate or even find it somewhat overestimated based on their experience. But our region in RLP is probably cheaper than your Ulm area.
 

heltino

2013-03-08 20:32:47
  • #5
this "price per SQM" is absolute nonsense. this is important for commercial buildings; in the private sector, it is NOT a measurement. 1. the price per SQM can hardly be generalized. it always depends on the standard; many other factors play a role. (100sqm quite angled and with bay windows, etc., are quickly more expensive than 150sqm as a square house!) 2. the additional costs cannot always be calculated flat-rate. outdoor facilities can vary by up to 100% even with identical requirements. there are plenty of "traps" that always have to be considered individually according to the building plot 3. who actually cares about the price per SQM? no one. in the end, what matters is how much MY house according to my wishes will cost and whether I can afford it. regarding 3.: self-performed work is often calculated optimistically. you always have to consider time, material usage, and your own skills. i am usually slower than the professional, don’t work quite as well, and have more material waste. what exactly do i want? only when this is clear do i have even an idea of what one "SQM" will cost purely from a calculation point of view. the cost drivers are usually somewhere else. how complex is my planning? what standard, whether energetically or in terms of equipment, do i want? what exactly will still come in detail? (foundation/civil engineering, outdoor facilities, container etc.) as a cautionary example: we had a fixed price of 295k euros for the house. (turnkey, wall, ceiling, and floor (except the bathrooms) self-performed work) our builder went bankrupt. but we were confident, after all we only paid retrospectively and thus never overpaid the builder. then came the big blow: finishing the build was not feasible with the builder’s calculated budget at all. he would have gone bankrupt at the latest with our construction! it doesn’t help. we did everything right and never paid upfront... and still ended up in trouble. in the end, instead of 295k including garage, we had to pay 350k EXcluding garage. thankfully, i kept it modest and built the house "one size smaller than mathematically possible." if i hadn’t done that: personal bankruptcy and case closed. again as a warning: my misfortune, which was not my own fault, i followed all the "instructions" correctly, now costs me a lean 500 euros more monthly than originally calculated. if i couldn’t have paid that, i would have, frankly speaking, been screwed: personal bankruptcy. anyone who plans their house construction with theoretical prices per "SQM" is basically doomed to fail. it simply doesn’t work. if you can just absorb 20 or 30 grand more or less, then it works as a rough guideline. anyone who can’t: FORGET IT. realistically calculate what is possible, take on a maximum of 80% of that, and then don’t get into trouble. a new build will usually, i have talked to countless neighbors, ALWAYS be more expensive than you think. that is seriously just not plannable down to the last euro.
 

Shism

2013-03-11 14:32:31
  • #6
What I would be interested in is whether the cost estimate from the construction company could be judged as "too low" in retrospect?

Or what price/m² of living space you would have arrived at with the originally calculated 295000?
 

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