Bauexperte
2013-03-12 11:48:10
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Hello,
just because you stepped into a faux pas, "experience values" do not suddenly become invalid....
It is indeed a metric in the private sector. Since the various providers are hardly comparable from a layman's perspective, the value of €1,500.00/sqm/straightforward architecture/Kfw 70/solid construction in NRW is a very good starting point for a medium-level fit-out. In the north it is cheaper, in the south up to 8% more expensive.
These are factors to be calculated on top; however, this does not change the original statement.
Within a certain range, yes. Not without reason I always write from TEUR 35-40; with "difficult" plots it can easily be TEUR 50 and more.
Agreed – but if I continue reading your post, this did not really help you either – the construction price quoted to you was obviously not calculated seriously.
Yes, this is a widespread phenomenon and – on both sides it is sweetened. Both by quite a few sellers and by not a few builders. Often I can write myself hoarse – greed usually wins in the end!
Then you have to ask yourself whether you accepted the TEUR 295 unchecked and thus gladly as a fact, or whether you had other offers submitted to you. Payment according to construction progress says nothing at all about the seriousness/solvency of a provider; only with a presented bank guarantee can you include a piece of security in this regard. You did not sign with IBG by chance?
You have just not done everything right. If a contractor has to file for insolvency, that is a process that does not happen overnight. This process takes some time; therefore, you did not check your provider.
What does "according to instructions" mean?
That is true – except for a few exceptions – absolutely not at all. Only those who look at the price at the bottom right and trust it unchecked are taking a considerable risk of being the fool in the end!
Then you have not read enough or at least not correctly here or in comparable forums. With a "serious" plan and calculation as a basis, a house only becomes more expensive due to uncertainties with the plot or private equipment wishes. I always remind of that in my answers. You cannot calculate a house down to the last cent, but nobody should build with exactly counted money either – that can only go wrong!
Now that you have gotten your frustration off your chest, hopefully you feel better and can digest my answer well
Rheinische greetings
just because you stepped into a faux pas, "experience values" do not suddenly become invalid....
this "price per sqm" is absolute nonsense.
this is important for commercial buildings, in the private sector it is NOT a metric.
It is indeed a metric in the private sector. Since the various providers are hardly comparable from a layman's perspective, the value of €1,500.00/sqm/straightforward architecture/Kfw 70/solid construction in NRW is a very good starting point for a medium-level fit-out. In the north it is cheaper, in the south up to 8% more expensive.
1. the price per sqm can hardly be generalized. it always depends on the standard, many other factors play a role.
(100 sqm quite convoluted and with bay windows etc. can quickly be more expensive than 150 sqm as a square house!)
These are factors to be calculated on top; however, this does not change the original statement.
2. incidental costs cannot always be calculated flat rate. outdoor facilities can vary by 100% even with the same requirements. there are plenty of "traps" that always have to be considered individually according to the building plot
Within a certain range, yes. Not without reason I always write from TEUR 35-40; with "difficult" plots it can easily be TEUR 50 and more.
3. ... in the end, what matters is how much MY house will cost according to my wishes and whether I can afford it.
Agreed – but if I continue reading your post, this did not really help you either – the construction price quoted to you was obviously not calculated seriously.
about 3:
own contributions are often sweetened....
Yes, this is a widespread phenomenon and – on both sides it is sweetened. Both by quite a few sellers and by not a few builders. Often I can write myself hoarse – greed usually wins in the end!
as a cautionary example:
we had a fixed price of 295 thousand euros for the house. (turnkey, walls, ceiling and floor (except bathrooms) own contribution)
our contractor went bankrupt.
but people were optimistic, after all, we only paid in arrears and thus never overpaid the contractor.
then came the big hammer: finishing the house was not feasible with the contractor’s calculated budget.
he would have gone bankrupt at the latest on our build!
Then you have to ask yourself whether you accepted the TEUR 295 unchecked and thus gladly as a fact, or whether you had other offers submitted to you. Payment according to construction progress says nothing at all about the seriousness/solvency of a provider; only with a presented bank guarantee can you include a piece of security in this regard. You did not sign with IBG by chance?
doesn’t help. we did everything right and never paid in advance... and still ended up in trouble.
in the end, instead of 295 thousand including garage, we had to pay 350 thousand EXcluding garage.
You have just not done everything right. If a contractor has to file for insolvency, that is a process that does not happen overnight. This process takes some time; therefore, you did not check your provider.
again as a warning: my bad luck, which was not my fault, I did everything right according to the "instructions," now costs me a neat 500 euros monthly more than originally calculated.
What does "according to instructions" mean?
anyone who plans their house construction with theoretical prices per "sqm" is basically doomed to fail.
that simply doesn’t work.
That is true – except for a few exceptions – absolutely not at all. Only those who look at the price at the bottom right and trust it unchecked are taking a considerable risk of being the fool in the end!
if you can shrug off 20 or 30 thousand more or less, then it works as a rough planning guide. those who can’t: FORGET IT.
calculate realistically what is possible, take at most 80% of that as a starting point, and then don’t get into trouble.
a new build is usually, I have talked to countless neighbors, ALWAYS more expensive than you think. that simply cannot be planned to the last euro seriously.
Then you have not read enough or at least not correctly here or in comparable forums. With a "serious" plan and calculation as a basis, a house only becomes more expensive due to uncertainties with the plot or private equipment wishes. I always remind of that in my answers. You cannot calculate a house down to the last cent, but nobody should build with exactly counted money either – that can only go wrong!
Now that you have gotten your frustration off your chest, hopefully you feel better and can digest my answer well
Rheinische greetings