What are the realistic costs for a semi-detached house / Kfw70 in Baden-Württemberg?

We paid about 7000 for an average kitchen and another 4000 for electrical appliances. Garage: A metal garage including foundation is doable for 7000. A prefabricated garage measuring 3x6 meters with foundation is already around 10k € (those were the quoted prices for us). A masonry garage with an additional extension costs between 15 - 20k €. You see: Depending on quality and size, there are price ranges. I would also contractually ensure for the external development that additional costs must be paid by the developer,... We have already gone from the stated 70 € per sqm to 90 € per sqm development costs and it is still not finished,...

Hi construction expert,

thanks for the detailed reply.

Development costs: TEUR 11.4 (who named this figure?)

The architect/site manager told us this number first. Since I wanted to know whether the architect's figures were realistic, I asked the city about the development costs. Here I received exactly the same information. That already gave me a positive impression.

Additional construction costs: TEUR 35

What is included in that which is not already listed above?

Here I fully agree with "nordanney"! Recently, more and more models are appearing on the market where a cost saving is suggested through "tendering of trades" via general contractor/general entrepreneur/subcontractor. But the market absolutely cannot provide such savings. But well; to each their own.

What we see as a major advantage in the architect contract is that the ancillary acquisition costs are only about €6,000 instead of about €24,500. That’s a difference of €18,000 for which you ultimately get nothing. That is actually the main argument for us. However, the costs named and planned by the architect should of course be realistic.

Best regards Goblin

In this forum, a topic "Baunebenkosten" is pinned at the very top of the list ...

We have Siemens appliances and a Wellmann kitchen (Alno belongs to Wellmann, so the quality is the same. The difference lies only in the selection of cabinet heights and depths) and paid only 6500 euros all in. The appliances were bought separately but installed by the kitchen installer. If you look around a bit, you can get there (especially since you already have a few appliances!)

Hello,

In this forum, a topic called "Baunebenkosten" is pinned at the very top of the list ...

Thank you for the hint, but I know this post. However, among other things, the following are listed here

- 5% real estate transfer tax - varies by municipality
- approx. 2% notary fees, calculated from the purchase price of the property
- approx. € 2,800-€ 3,200 surveying services (qualified site plans / height surveying / staking out / building surveying)

which have already been taken into account in my calculation. Therefore, I inquired again.

In our calculation, for example, surveying is already included in the engineering services, and this price for the engineering services would also be fixed. How do you actually assess this one block? Do you consider the engineering services for €38,500 including surveying, structural engineering, architecture, and construction management appropriate or too expensive?

Thank you very much
Best regards
Goblin

Hello,

What is included in it that is not already listed above?

All the nice little things which add up to an ugly number and are often forgotten in the financing.

What we see as a big advantage of the architect contract is that the acquisition incidental costs are only about €6,000 instead of about €24,500. That's a difference of €18,000 for which you basically get nothing. That is actually the main argument for us.

Please don’t be naive!

An architect contract simply means that on the one hand you have an architect who provides all the engineering necessary services and sends you an invoice for that. On the other hand, they carry out the tendering, check the incoming offers, and together with you commission the craftsmen according to VOB. If you book all service phases with them, they also take over construction management including documentation; of course, that costs money too.

BUT – you don’t actually save a real €24,500 on incidental costs, do you?!? These costs => for example sewer, gas, water, electricity, internal development, possibly additional foundation costs up to smaller bills for the chimney sweep or the application for a house number <= still arise AND you pay them!

By the way, I would like to clarify the terminology again here with precise explanations. If you were actually to conclude a real developer contract, you would also have to bear all these costs (they are included in the total price); but you would have nothing to do with tendering, nor would you have any choice, even to consider the exclusion of a trade! There would be a maximum of 7 payment steps, with the 1st being about 30% as the land portion must be paid for.

The example you describe is neither “fish nor fowl” – it lies somewhere in between and “can” go well, but it doesn’t “have to.” The risk would be too great for me as well.

Rhenish regards