Urge to sign due to price increase normal?

  • Erstellt am 2018-03-24 23:41:45

Knallkörper

2018-03-25 11:44:55
  • #1


Then your equipment must be completely standard, or you had already negotiated and priced all special requests at contract conclusion. The latter is not possible according to the original poster's description. Therefore, my urgent advice: stay away.

At that time, we sent the same inquiry to 20 companies. Everywhere with our floor plan and a detailed description of the equipment and materials. We received 12 offers back. The cheapest were all local companies.
 

Caspar2020

2018-03-25 12:12:08
  • #2


We asked about many surcharges beforehand and were given prices; these were also included in the contract. We also looked at the plant before signing and did a sort of light sampling in the associated sampling center (I think you got the best impression there of what is basically the standard now and what still costs extra).

There is also an active community with ours (and others as well).

We wanted, and if the plot finally comes, still want to have a timber frame. That is relatively rare in our area from non-prefab builders.

Several friends of ours with different architects, on the other hand, had significantly more surprises.

In between, we also looked at real developer projects; there the whole thing was even more opaque and the customization options far more limited compared to the prefab house industry.
 

ruppsn

2018-03-25 12:33:03
  • #3

No one here claimed that architects set the prices. But they do not hold out their hand and argue with quarter changes or systematic price corrections. Our architect is still within his price estimate. The price development has been included in his estimate, so for instance we were never, unlike described here, put under pressure or forced to sign something by the architect.
No idea whether frustration, envy, or the growing feeling that you paid too much to your general contractor is the reason for your “forgetting,” but for me that misses the point. It was about applying pressure, and that’s rather not done by the architect.
Regarding the increases in construction costs, there are official, factual statistics online (I even believe from the Federal Statistical Office), which are far from 5% and, if I remember correctly, are between 1% and 2%. Do you really believe that the annual price increase at the (national) general contractor is a one-to-one adjustment of price increases in construction costs? No, they use the opportunity to hold out their hand even more—the market allows it, but certainly not in the magnitude solely due to increased material and labor costs.
Final point on budget overruns when building with an architect: They certainly exist, and some definitely because the planner is incompetent. But it’s also true that many cost overruns occur because the clients want to add a bit more here and there during construction. And in that sense you’re right, there is a reason for the deviation between estimate and actual costs, just a different one than you suggest. And this aspect is no different when building with a general contractor. As the client, one often must discipline oneself much more with an architect because everything is possible, and on average the building is simply more elaborate. Our neighbors built with an architect on a very tight budget, disciplined themselves strictly, and stayed within their budget (and nearly within the cost estimate). The deviation of cost estimate to actual cost was 2%. And the difference between this house and those of the general contractors in the neighborhood is very visible in this specific case. Inside there is laminate, the tiles are cheaper leftover stock from a tile setter found through tenders. The budget simply did not allow for planks or parquet. They wanted them, the architect said, “Technically doable no question, but not feasible with your budget. If it must be, let’s see where else we can save. But there aren’t many options because the budget is very tight.”
And that is also the job of a good planner, besides construction supervision in the interest of the client: to bring wishes, technical feasibility, and budget into harmony. Not everyone succeeds, of course. But to pretend every construction project with a planner is 20% over budget is wrong if you don’t also make the effort to look into how that came about. Or to put it in your words: The comment is pure polemic in its undifferentiated form and “you can just forget it” [emoji6]
 

ruppsn

2018-03-25 13:09:22
  • #4
Well, the architect ESTIMATES the costs before planning. And estimates have errors, otherwise they wouldn't be estimates. How should he know what else the client will come up with and what will later be offered to him through bills of quantities? Hasn't anyone here ever thrown a big party and had to estimate how many drinks and food would be needed? If so, never had too much or too little because there were too many cancellations or friends of friends tagging along? Estimates are inherently imprecise. Of course, you can also call them surprises. [emoji4]
 

Caspar2020

2018-03-25 17:20:06
  • #5
Of course, estimates were made. However, in all 3 cases, they were too optimistic or somewhat removed from the expectations of those involved regarding the equipment.

Unfortunately, 2 out of 3 did not have more money available or did not want to spend more than the set budget, but instead shuffled items around in their calculations after the "buffer" was gone.

It was then less about what was originally envisioned or desired for the final trades and the outdoor area, but rather about finding someone who could do it a bit cheaper (of course with compromises in quality) to make the place "livable."
 

meister keks

2018-03-25 17:34:53
  • #6
Yes, our equipment is standard with a few extras that we absolutely wanted, so I don’t need to hide behind that. I don’t need any dick comparison there. Basically, the tactic is that the lower prices will only be available this year for every type in the show home park. At least with the prefab house representatives. J
 

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