Supplementary offer electrical planning for the Aachen area

By the way: in the utility room I could almost use 8 sockets, in the bedroom I would miss a two-way switch if you’re going to spend that much anyway.

We are still missing the final solution in the bedroom, we are still thinking about it.

Overall, I am a fan of indirect lighting. Especially in the evening, the ceiling light is rarely on with us, and even if I go to the bathroom in the evening/night, I don’t necessarily want to turn on the light. The electrician offered me orienting lights that can be switched on for a modest €96 each.
Here, however, I imagine recessed lights with motion sensors, which I want to source and install myself. I was thinking of a comparable product like the "Paulmann 92923 LED recessed light with motion sensor, LED permanently installed 2.7W, glossy white" for about €20 each.
What needs to be prepared by the electrician then? A power point in a flush-mounted box that is not switched but is basically always on? As you can see, I am not very knowledgeable electrically.

The number I had in mind:
- Guest WC 1
- Ground floor hallway 2-3
- Stairs 4-5 each
- Upper floor hallway 1
- Bathroom 1-2

Does anyone have experience or other suggestions?

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Alright. The electrician obviously wants to make money and does a mixed calculation. He charges a flat rate of 55 EUR per socket, whether he has to pull a completely new cable for it or simply extend a basic socket to 2, 3, or 6 (which you can do yourself if you have the proper training, even if the walls are already wallpapered, painted, tiled, or similar)...

For the emergency lights, he has to pull a cable to each one and wants to put a switch on it as well. That just costs more.
So I don’t really believe it will be significantly cheaper for you if you tell him to only install the flush-mounted boxes and pull cables without switches in front. He’s not stupid and knows exactly that you want to install the lights yourself, he will still get his margin from you... what else are you going to do? If you want it, you have to buy it from him...

For the orientation lights, he has to run a cable to each one and he also wants to do that with a switch. That just costs more. So I also don't think it will be significantly cheaper for you if you say he should only install the flush-mounted boxes and pull cables without a switch in front of them. He's not stupid and knows exactly that you want to install the lights yourself, he will still take his margin from you... what else can you do. If you want it, you have to buy it from him...

I don't really understand your point. For example, the staircase: the electrician and I originally planned five orientation lights that can all be switched together via a switch from the ground floor and from the upper floor. So that costs me 5x €50 for the connection points and additionally 5x €96 for the lights. Plus the two-way switching. Now I have decided against switchable lamps, so I want to save on the two-way switching and the €96 per light. The €50 per connection point, of course, remain. Where exactly is the point where the electrician takes his margin? For me, the question is rather: does a connection point look like the box here, or with a terminal block, or simply a cable from the wall? I just have to clarify that with him. Or should I take a socket and basically discard the frame later? The socket costs me €55 from him.

Good point. So far, we have planned one twin socket per bedroom/office and two in the living room. See the green marking.
Now that you mention it, I would also consider network sockets + access points at ceiling height in both hallways, see red question marks. Also one in the garage, but something was already planned there due to the wallbox preparation.
We have external dimensions of 7x12m, that should be enough, right? Do you have a recommendation for access points?

An access point should be installed where the highest speed is desired. On the ground floor, I would place it not by the stairs but in the living area. What kind of stairs are you getting? With concrete stairs you have a lot of steel, and that does not like Wi-Fi at all. The upper floor I find difficult. If you put it in the middle, maybe no one will be really happy. At least I would remove the APs from the stairs. I would prepare the attic, but maybe the Wi-Fi from the floor below is enough. Whether you need Wi-Fi in the garage is debatable. For me, good Wi-Fi on the terrace would be more important.

Personally, I am a fan of APs with PoE power supply. I myself have a Fritzbox, but the Wi-Fi is outsourced to UniFi APs. There are also other access point manufacturers. Where should these go now? On the wall or on the ceiling? Proper APs are mainly designed for ceiling installation.

I don’t really understand your point. Example staircase, here the electrician and I originally planned five orientation lights that can all be switched together by one switch from the ground floor and the upper floor. So that costs me 5x €50 for the connection points and additionally 5x €96 for the lights. Plus the two-way switch. Now I have decided against switchable lamps, so I want to save the two-way switch and the €96 per light. The €50 per connection point of course remain. So where exactly does the electrician get his margin now?

For me, the question is rather whether a connection point looks like the box here, or with a terminal block, or simply a cable coming out of the wall? I just have to clarify that with him. Or should I take a socket and pretty much throw away the frame later? The socket costs me €55 with him.

Yes, you are right, I apologize.

A connection point is a cable coming out of the wall. Unfortunately, that does not negate my argument. The electrician charges you €50 for the connection point. Usually, he cannot mix the costs here... one connection point, one cable, no matter the length. For the spot, he still has to install a box and a lamp. He sums that up to €96. Proud price, yes. You would now have to ask what a connection point plus flush-mounted box would cost you...

And here is my suspicion that you will not get this significantly cheaper than without a lamp (minus the price of the lamp itself)...

In that case, the socket would indeed cost you less... but whether he will do it that way for you... He knows that you only have the sockets installed to throw them away later and then install a lamp... I could understand the electrician if he does not do it that way.

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Personally, I am a fan of APs with POE power supply. I myself have a Fritzbox, but the WLAN is outsourced to Unifi APs. But there are also other access point manufacturers. Where should these go now? On the wall or on the ceiling? Proper APs are mainly designed for ceiling mounting.

Good choice... FritzBox WLAN has always lost by a wide margin to every other solution in every test. My Speedport 3 from Telekom covers the entire ground floor, with a FritzBox you would have easily needed to set up 2 APs here...
Incredible but true, with Telekom you can occasionally save money too...