Renew old heating with heat pump or gas boiler and domestic hot water heat pump

  • Erstellt am 2022-05-05 10:01:08

Deliverer

2022-05-31 21:33:40
  • #1
I do not know exactly where it is located. But heat pumps are relatively independent of location, as long as the air can move freely. The temperature of the supply air does not differ as much as the temperature of surfaces.
 

GePrest

2022-06-03 09:45:30
  • #2
When using surplus electricity from the photovoltaic system, I don't need a second meter, right? The Bafa subsidy has been applied for; now I have read that to receive the subsidy, a separate meter is required. Then I would be forced to install a second meter. The contractor will dismantle the old solar thermal system; only then will the photovoltaic system be installed. I don't yet have an appointment for the installation of the heat pump. Does it matter which system is installed first? Photovoltaic system for the end of July, beginning of August. Questionable if the contractor has availability before then. What makes more sense: photovoltaic system first or heat pump first? Who connects the heat pump with the photovoltaic system? The contractor or the solar installer?
 

Deliverer

2022-06-03 10:33:32
  • #3
Many questions. I'll give it a try:


No. Only a bidirectional meter if you don’t already have one. But you don’t have to worry about that. As soon as your solar installer submits the request for your system and then reports the commissioning, they already know that they have to come out. Important: neither you nor the solar installer should order the change. This is the responsibility of the metering point operator and it should cost you nothing. So be careful what you sign.


Doesn’t matter. With photovoltaics, you should keep an eye on the current debate about the future feed-in tariff. Relevant is the commissioning, that is the switch-on, which you and the electrician carry out together. But this should be clarified in the next few weeks if the Federal Council and Bundestag reach an agreement.


No one. The systems have nothing to do with each other. There are control options, but they do more harm than good.

You yourself should learn to control your heat pump. Otherwise no one will do it, because no one has the time for it. And then you do it like this: In the transitional period, you heat from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. That should get you through the night.
If that is no longer enough, you heat 24 hours and raise the temperature by 2 degrees between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

Hot water best only once a day around midday.

That’s the "coupling" of photovoltaics and heat pump.
 

GePrest

2022-06-03 10:47:03
  • #4

Thanks for the info. So a control, for example with the potential-free contact of the Fronius inverter for signaling or for controlling a relay when there is surplus power, is then not efficient? Doesn't that increase the self-consumption of the photovoltaic system? What speaks against it?
 

Deliverer

2022-06-03 10:59:06
  • #5
If you do it right and it works well, it can be quite efficient. But free after Pareto, it’s a lot of effort for little added benefit.

Why:
First, you have to define what should happen at all when there is "too much" photovoltaic power. Should the heat pump only run when the sun is shining? Probably not. Should it just heat a little warmer? That also works with my suggestion. Should it produce hot water? That also works with my suggestion. Even better, because then it’s not heated up three times by five degrees, but once by 15. That’s better for the heat pump.

In the core of winter, there is almost always too little photovoltaic power anyway. So you benefit most from increasing the power a bit spread out over the whole day and drawing on it for part of the night. But caution is advised here too: efficiency suffers. The heat pump doesn’t want to be "hotter than necessary now and then." For me, after the "optimization" for photovoltaic, the coefficient of performance dropped by about 0.3 points. But the electricity is cheaper. You have to calculate.

The last point why controlling hardly pays off: the heat pump is simply not a big consumer. Yes, it consumes a lot over time, but not much at once. It has to be pretty cold outside for a heat pump to draw over 1-2 kW. And if 10 kW are available at that moment, that doesn’t change anything for the heat pump. A car battery can then ramp up to e.g. 11 kW. But the heat pump, which maybe should produce 2° more, only needs 100 watts extra for that, which doesn’t make a big difference.

So first K.I.S.S. and get to know the systems.
And if you’re really into home automation, you can gladly do a bit of programming around the counter. It’s fun. But saving is hardly possible.
 

GePrest

2022-06-03 11:07:14
  • #6

Thank you very much for the many infos.
 

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