Prefabricated house, poor sound insulation

  • Erstellt am 2019-11-12 19:05:43

MayrCh

2020-01-17 08:47:03
  • #1




With mine, I wanted to point out that (especially in prefab house construction) not only a component that is acoustically incorrectly designed/chosen can be the cause, but also the defect/incorrect installation. And usually, no one can find that out by datasheet remote diagnosis or as a layman by putting an ear on it.


He is not replacing the window, but the glass. The acoustic quality of the frame and sash frame, the seal between the frame sash and the sash frame, and the connection quality of the frame to the wall component remain the same as in the existing situation.


This is about a prefab house. Here, the execution quality is crucial for sound insulation; the acoustic performance figures of the components are rather secondary.


You have already named €800 for a measurement. What do new windows currently cost, say SSKIII or just the corresponding glass? I don’t have prices available anymore.
 

Snowy36

2020-01-17 09:12:08
  • #2
800 euros was unfortunately ONLY for measuring ... and then the statement: xdB ... everything else like looking at documents or setup I estimate will cost significantly more but you should be able to assess that better?

And maybe the OP can tell us what a new disc costs .... I also estimate about 800.
 

MayrCh

2020-01-17 09:44:05
  • #3

Before we start treating layman-"estimates" as gospel here, we should soberly look at the facts.


The expensive part of a measurement job is not the measurement technician or the travel. By far the most expensive is the usage of the measuring device.


I don’t have to estimate at all. A look into the Siegburg tables says, with an extremely generous assumption per building physicist, 100€/h. Not a few probably do it for 75€/h.
Review of the documentation, plans, and documents: half a day, calculated generously. If he looks at everything again on site: another half day. So another 800€, probably less when calculated with hourly rates. If you agree on a flat rate, he might even work faster and cheaper. For that, you get a statement about the cause that will hold up at least until a possible court trial.
I would have no interest in a try and error guesswork, especially not considering the financial and legal consequences that such an intervention in a building still under warranty entails.
 

Bookstar

2020-01-17 10:23:17
  • #4
One can figure out a lot by using common sense, experimenting, and testing oneself. Blanket accusations of processing defects are not very constructive. First, focus on the facts and check what the structure is actually supposed to deliver; if it already becomes apparent that the glass is, as almost always, the weak point, then a replacement can only bring a significant improvement. If one is still dissatisfied, an expert can be called in. About the expert just this much: he who measures measures nonsense! Caution is advised here.
 

MayrCh

2020-01-17 11:49:29
  • #5

No one is making blanket accusations of workmanship defects. The fact is, however, that workmanship defects in prefabricated houses have a more critical impact on the overall acoustic system than workmanship defects in solid construction.


Which brings us back to generalizations. Sure, glass is a part of the overall window system. Of course, also the largest in terms of surface area. But the frame and sash are also part of it, as well as seals and connections to the exterior component. Just the impact on flanking transmission caused by typical installation errors... mineral wool strips inserted only on the room side, leaking joints, incorrect foaming around mounting blocks, no backer rod, glass with leaked SF6... The elephant can surely share anecdotes about this.

Anyway, the original poster acted and I hope it brings relief. Maybe he will report back in due time.
 

Snowy36

2020-01-17 13:41:39
  • #6

Then a concrete question:
And the fact that the noise comes in through the frame, you should be able to hear that yourself, right? Put a stethoscope on it and test whether it comes through the glass or the frame?

Because either the installation is massively wrong, the effect then is too, or it is not that bad, then it cannot be installed incorrectly either, or am I misunderstanding something.
Also, a blower door test should have revealed that already, no idea if the OP had one done, for example KfW etc.
 

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