Plan a closed kitchen with an passage to the utility room

What do you need the passage from the kitchen for? And a passage in the middle or half in the wall does not solve the problems. And rooms with a room width of 326 cm cannot accommodate islands. As I said, I know such kitchen rooms from old buildings, but such kitchen rooms are not planned in new buildings. And I have certainly planned 1000 kitchens in the last 18 years.

What would be your tip? We wanted the passage so that you don't have to go completely through the living room to get to the utility room to get noodles or something else... We have no basement. The passage was something like a hidden pantry, which is currently very trendy. So actually you would have to close the passage to the living room and the passage to the utility room and instead simply have a door from the hallway to the kitchen? That would be the easiest but we would like something a bit special.

The bathroom and the kitchen will not be changed. They are completely fine for us as they are.

We will not make major changes to the kitchen and bathroom. That suits us fine.

That is completely contrary to the desperation here:

Hello, we are desperate. We can’t find a proper solution for how to plan our kitchen where we’d also like to accommodate a small dining table with four chairs.

Rooms are planned together in a house design and not individually. If you are not willing to look at the overall design, then individual rooms cannot be optimized either. You are currently turning an as-yet unbuilt house during planning into an existing house, where you have to work with rooms that already exist.

Or maybe you could work here with a cooking island. At the back for walking through with tall cabinets and in front a cooking island

For that, 13 or 16 sqm is too small. For a functional and ergonomic kitchen you need about 12 to 15 sqm, preferably a bit more. For a dining area for 5 people you also need 6, 8, or 10 sqm again. If doors come into play, these also require clearance space.

What would be your tip?

Redefine the house design planning and try to get out of the mental hamster wheel.

The room does not work as a kitchen for 5 people. As I have shown, the refrigerator is in the wrong place and too small, the island only 60cm deep, the oven at the bottom, the trash no idea, certainly not under the sink. The table is 160x95 in size, just barely enough for eating. Even if you rotate the table, it does not get any better.

Not to mention, necessary measurements were cut off.

The room does not work as a kitchen for 5 people. As I have shown, the refrigerator is in the wrong place and too small, the island only 60cm deep, the oven at the bottom, the trash bin no idea, certainly not under the sink. The table is 160x95 in size, just enough for eating. Even if you rotate the table, it won’t get any better. Apart from that, necessary measurements were cut off.

Hello, that looks good. Good suggestion. We have now had it designed with the kitchen planner like this. The bay window would be slightly enlarged at the bottom corner And you could then go out to the terrace. In the middle an island. Possibly cooking on the island there. Question to everyone!! One of the tall cabinets would then lead to the pantry. Would you plan a window or skylight at the top so that you can look into the hallway?

Why do you need the passage from the kitchen? And a passage in the middle or half-middle of the wall doesn't solve the problems. And rooms with 326 cm room width can't accommodate islands. As I said, I know such kitchen rooms from old buildings, but such kitchen rooms are not planned in new builds. And I have certainly planned at least 1000 kitchens in the last 18 years.

Take a look at the new plans from the kitchen planner... seems to work.

The bay window will be extended around the corner so that it is straight there.
In the middle comes an island, possibly with a stove, otherwise only as a workspace and seating.
The table is removed from the room.

Then have a measured top view made for you. Where are seats 4 and 5? Or rather, everyone sits on the chicken perch, very family-like. (Warning irony)

I wouldn't want to work in THAT kitchen; it takes place in the darkest corner with your back to everything. The distance between the island and the wall on the right should not be larger than 60 cm... with chairs even more modest. This is definitely not a 5-person family kitchen in a 190 sqm house. EDIT: The main thing is a "chicer" tall cabinet passage... sometimes you can only shake your head.