Placement of parking spaces / carport on the property

  • Erstellt am 2021-07-15 16:14:33

wullewuu

2021-12-26 23:34:45
  • #1


Months later, I stumble over your drawing again and think: This is the best solution! We have really puzzled over it for many months and even relocated the carport for a lot of money and reapplied for it, and still were not satisfied (see picture), because although you have a parking space at the house, at the end the access right past the house to the garden is missing. We are building without a basement, meaning we need storage space (garden shed, big garage, etc.). Without the carport on the right there is no "ramp" to go down, so you can’t place trash bins, bikes, etc., on the right top side of the house if you have to lug everything over stairs. At the end of the day, your solution is probably the cheapest and simplest solution. I still find the idea strange to put the house directly on the sidewalk, but we are anyway moving away from "closing off" the yard. That would only have been possible with a rolling gate and even then it would have been almost unaffordable.

With the attached variant, backing out of the carport would have also become "complicated" because you’d have to reverse back onto the yard...

Currently, there is a 2nd variant that I would like to present here, which is certainly conceivable for us, but I need help regarding the driveway:

This variant would mean that in the northern corner of the property up top (which doesn’t get much sun anyway...) a 6m wide and possibly 6-7m deep garage is placed. This garage offers more than enough space for everything and there are 2 parking spaces. The advantage is the yard at the top is free and there is space, you don’t need the parking space in front of the house and can plant there. I have roughly drawn how I would do the driveway. Ideally, it would only start after the front door (black triangle), that’s about 9m to the garage if it is 7m deep. Then 1.2m has to be bridged, which results in a 14% incline. But I’m unsure how wide I need to make the driveway at the bottom over what distance so that 1. you can drive in and out well if another car is parked inside and 2. is it comfortable to mostly reverse these 9m out? The 2nd problem, which you can see quite well in the picture, the garage approaches the house. The house (bottom edge of the slab) sits about 1.2m higher than the garage foundation. Especially where garage and house get very close, I would have to support the house or the ground underneath. Is that sufficiently possible with angle brackets? After all, I need the driveway to the garage here...

Worst case scenario, but I think that is exaggerated: adjust the building application, push the house 1m further in, then parking spot perpendicular in front of the house and/or house 1m further to the left, plenty of space for everything, but less garden... and all of that just for parking spaces... that can’t be it. I am also attaching the survey so it’s easier to visualize. OK bottom edge of slab is at 205.49.

From the survey it also becomes clear why placing CP/garage next to the house isn’t possible because the slope doesn’t work. Entrance etc. are fixed and can no longer be changed, the house will definitely be built as planned.

Also attached is another side view of the originally planned carport.. you can see why that isn’t that simple.. the terrain profile makes life difficult..

In the end, we come back to the original variant because it 1. allows passage to the back 2. offers lockable storage 3. is somewhat feasible. It’s annoying that we only took 4m instead of 5m distance to the street, earlier the idea was to just put planting there before suddenly it was said that two separate parking spaces are needed.. with 5m you would have put the parking space perpendicular to the street and that would have been it. So now it just takes a long stretch.

Anyone else with good ideas? Especially about the garage driveway?
 

wullewuu

2021-12-26 23:45:43
  • #2


Specifically regarding this image: Are there regulations about how much space must be behind and in front of the parking space? You need space to maneuver..
 

Hangman

2021-12-27 18:32:05
  • #3
Thanks for the feedback, and it's a shame that you’re still stuck there. I’ll try to turn the whole thing upside down: originally you wanted to be able to walk around the house, green as much as possible, you only have one car and actually only need the second free parking space because of the official requirement... now you are at a variant with a fully sealed east side, plus a lowered double garage whose driveway is neither practical nor nice to look at. So completely upfront, forget the garage variant (sorry). If you need storage space, better build a nice garden shed in the northeast corner.

I would still do it as I suggested. I would make the parking bay as drawn wider towards the street so it can be accessed without maneuvering. The planting strip I marked in green between the access path and the driveway you can also pave to parking bay width (2.5–3 m) – then everyone can actually get in and out. The problem with the whole matter of carport, access path, driveway, parking bay, however, are the heights. Without knowledge of the on-site situation it is hard to assess despite height profile and side view, but I would try to get the whole driveway/entrance/parking/courtyard area to as little height difference as possible between each other and to the street and check the following:


    [*
      It would of course be much easier and better if you could raise the carport. So L-shaped stones directly on the eastern property boundary. Can this be arranged with the building authority and possibly with the neighbor’s consent? The neighbor should not be bothered by this as only his carport/garage stands there anyway. Furthermore, the maximum boundary construction is 9 m to the best of my knowledge... since you’re only planning 8 m, maybe you can also negotiate 3.2 m average wall height?
      [*]If you leave the courtyard area open (so without a fence), and additionally have a "real" second parking space (parking bay), you can move the carport closer to the street. Even if this area is to be used sporadically as another parking space, 5.5 m is enough (currently planned 6.3 m).
      [*]You can shorten the actual carport to 6 m and lower the (later) planned storage room opposite the carport. Entrance then from the side.
      [*]You do not necessarily have to overcome height differences up to the carport driveway, but can also continue the slope within the carport.
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      [*]Small note: we have a 6 m carport with 4% slope and directly adjacent 2.5 m storage room which is 50 cm lower. That brings a height difference of 75 cm that follows the terrain and neither building authority nor neighbors are bothered.

    [*]Worst case: really shift the house 1 m to the north (and possibly adjust height in doing so).


The goal of all points above is to raise the carport as much as possible so as to bring the entire entrance area to as similar heights as possible. If you are higher than OK floor slab -15 cm required for timber frame construction in any areas, there is also a solution for that. Just google Stabile Air by Richard Brink. It’s a suitable and affordable system which we have at 4.5 m in the entrance area and with which we can even enter the house without a threshold.

One more question for clarification from my side: you write in the post that the OK floor slab is 205.49, and in the plans the finished floor height is 205.87. Do you really have 38 cm floor construction, or is one of the two heights incorrect (if yes, which one)?
 

wullewuu

2021-12-27 22:21:22
  • #4


Dear Hangman,

first of all many thanks for your effort and commitment! That is not always a matter of course. I am aware that it is very difficult to imagine the circumstances, especially when the site still has height differences/slopes. I will try to answer your individual points or formulate my opinion on them.

Regarding your first paragraph: Yes, you summarized it well, we wanted little sealing and more greenery than stone, but there are a few points to mention here. First, the plot is overall quite large and life takes place on the other side anyway. That is the house entrance. It should be visually appealing but also not narrow and hardly drivable because everything is greened. Added to this is that we have 3 children, i.e. a large courtyard never hurts, especially if it’s for kicking the ball or playing. Of course, it must then be reasonably level. In addition, in recent months “wishful thinking” and reality or what is sensible have changed. One has to realize that as a family of five with 3 kids WITHOUT a basement we need room elsewhere. At least 5-8 bicycles, bike trailer, table tennis tables, other junk... that needs/can be stored somewhere and must be easily accessible. In retrospect, I have to admit that we made a planning error in that we did not say from the beginning: big garage. For the reasons mentioned above we simply planned two parking spaces one behind the other.. well.. that can’t be changed now. Moving the house further to the left (i.e. west) is not an option, I will not make my garden smaller for a parking lot.. :)
Regarding the garage variant: You are right. You pave too much, but realistically this side, especially the northeast corner, will hardly be used. Probably moss will just grow there anyway. The garage would be well placed there, but two things trouble me: width of the driveway and how wide it must be in front of the garage. How to clarify this.. we’ll see. Ideally, you can drive in forward and when driving out, turn, maneuver and drive forward out again. I don’t know if 6m width is enough for that. Someone must tell that to you. If necessary you can also reverse out, but in the long run.. well.. not really ideal. But you’d have a lot of storage space, big door etc.

Regarding your parking bay: Two things bother me there. 1. Somehow I find the car, whichever one, is way too prominent when parked sideways. It extends over more than half the driveway. The eye immediately falls on it because you can’t even plant in front of it towards the street. Hence the variant with the carport. Problem 2: The site slopes down from west to east. That must be considered as well. And I imagine parking sideways there is difficult if there is a sidewalk. You basically have to drive fully onto the sidewalk and then turn in, yet also overcome the curb etc. It’s not comfortable. Anyone who has parked sideways over a curb knows that.

The goal is and will be: hardly any height difference to the entrance. That is clear, but the terrain itself rises slightly towards the house. That is unavoidable but no problem for the garden landscaper.

Neighbor issue: That is not a garage, but a conservatory... that’s exactly where the problem begins. The neighbor placed a conservatory there because the plot was free forever. He even has a building encumbrance (4m on our plot), but that does not apply to garages/carports etc. However, it would definitely lead to very bad blood if I placed a garage/carport directly in front of it. Therefore, no option to go above 3m height :) I understand, but that would be so. But also no option because we definitely do not want a carport or such up to the front door. That makes the courtyard unnecessarily small.
In the drawing, the carport is already raised to the maximum. You can see it says “height 2.995m”. It can’t get any tighter :D


    [*]if you leave the courtyard open (i.e., without a fence) and additionally have a “real” second parking space (parking bay), you can move the carport closer to the street. Even if this area is occasionally used as an additional parking space, 5.5m is enough (currently planned 6.3m)

Sort of, because if the CP comes closer, then you have a slope/driveway there. That means it slopes down in the first 2-3m in the courtyard either way, so I also can’t reverse further than the sidewalk from your bay, otherwise it goes downwards. So that doesn’t work.


    [*]you can shorten the actual carport to 6m and lower the (later) planned storage room opposite the carport. Entrance then from the side.

For this, look at my attachment and my “latest idea.” CP shortened and calculated how high the foundation can be at most (see scribble). In my calculation, the top of the carport slab would then be at 204.6m, so you could fill the property behind up to this height (max is 204.7m possible because the lowest point is at 203.70). The 5-10 cm slope ultimately does not matter.. Then you would have a 2.51m high carport (clearance approx. 2.2m). The slope would then be approximately 9% and would only begin after the front door because you only have to bridge 90 cm. Then there would be space at the back for a garden shed etc. What has to be said about this: This variant means bicycles/bin etc. have to be moved out through the CP. At 4m width and with a car in there.. scratches are basically 100% preprogrammed.. but ok.. but the passage would be narrow. Advantage: Carport would look nice. Disadvantage: The side towards the house also must be retained.. so L-stones.. This solution would also mean moving the house 1m north so there is a parking space in front.
See attachment..

So.. I’ll keep drawing.. :D
 

driver55

2021-12-28 01:32:56
  • #5
Sorry, but how can someone mess around with a carport/garage for 6 months? Let's get a professional involved. You don't build the house first and then do the rest. :confused:
 

wullewuu

2021-12-28 11:30:56
  • #6
Thank you for your comment, which unfortunately, as so often, does not help anyone. Many things have been planned in recent months, and there was also an original plan. Some things are corrected or you only realize over time that you can/should change them because, for example, opinions change. If you are always immediately right and are satisfied with every decision in the long run, then we can only congratulate you. We are building for the first time, and everything else is going wonderfully, but some things only become apparent because 1. you talk to several garden landscapers 2. your own needs change. There are various "professionals" involved who see some things differently than we do, but as I said: needs change.
 

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