Placement of parking spaces / carport on the property

  • Erstellt am 2021-07-15 16:14:33

11ant

2021-12-28 16:15:39
  • #1
I did not mean the soil under the house, but the soil next to the house, between the foundation and the L-walls. Houses sink in the swamp and try to pull themselves up by their own chimney like Münchhausen of old, I also don’t really see that happening. The slope doesn’t get any flatter if you place the house on the valley side. I also drive a car, but with a seatbelt.
 

Hangman

2021-12-28 19:22:17
  • #2


Please excuse me if I am being persistent... The problem with moving the carport to the north is the sloping terrain. Because of the maximum wall height of the boundary construction, you inevitably have to position the carport lower, whereas the house remains higher. This results in a driveway as well as a level difference between the carport and the entrance. The five (!) steps shown in the views illustrate this clearly, but I want to make you aware of it once again. The consequence of this layout is that you have to snake along the house wall to the entrance (a 1.3 m access path is really not wide) in order to make space for steps/embankment/L-shaped stones to the lower carport. This also makes the carport narrower. And the five steps are planned with 26 cm, which is far too little for outdoor use. From a practical point of view, only disadvantages, and I don’t quite understand what benefit the neighbor is supposed to have from this. Visually, I also find this pseudo-underground garage situation questionable.

The positive thing is: you have enough space! 6.5 m to the eastern boundary and (soon :) ) 5.5 m to the street is generous. To the 6.5 m to the eastern boundary, you would still add 3-3.5 m for the parking space in front of the house. So, overall you have a 10 x 5.5 m area in the southeast corner which you could even level uniformly – conveniently matching the entrance door. Think it over again – a nice, delicate 3.5 x 6 m carport directly in the southeast, the rest as open space. Enough room for everything, nicely level, generous access path. And from the house door let the terrain slope downward and have a second garden/bike shed further north. In my opinion, this would be the best solution for both you and the neighbor.
 

wullewuu

2021-12-28 19:51:48
  • #3


Hello, so until now this option was out of the question because there was no additional parking space in front of the house. With the shift it would work. Question on this: 5 or 5.5 meters? What do you think? Basically, 5 meters is more than enough for a car, even for a large vehicle. But it would be a bit tight..

Regarding the carport.. well, I’d say this. The neighbor naturally wants some view. Right in front of the conservatory there is a view out. And the view to the street would be blocked by the carport. In addition, it is not allowed to close it on any side, so even worse for him, he’ll always see the car. I suspect he’ll be really pissed off… unfortunately. This is poorly received in an existing residential area. Of course, you also wonder why one would put a conservatory there if a house could be built there at any time. I guess they assumed that the easement would protect it.. but it does not include garages etc. The fact is: I will have problems. I have to calculate the heights to see if a 5-6m carport is even possible due to the 3m rule. I think it will fail because the carport will be too low.

In summary, it is now like this: we push the house in and leave the side at 6.5m. Then there are many possibilities to model it once the house is in place. I think this plan is good. In the north, I would have the earthmover directly place L-bricks at a distance of 1.5 to 2m from the house so that the embankment at the back is eliminated. This way you can walk around the house or plant around the house.
 

wullewuu

2021-12-28 19:55:28
  • #4
Small addendum: in the version with the carport flush with the northern end, I would not make a staircase from the door. According to my calculations, the ramp would start only after the door, but it would have about 14%, so not little, but "ok". Then you walk down the driveway on foot.
 

Hangman

2021-12-29 14:51:00
  • #5
The parking space should be at least 5.5m in my opinion, but I would probably shift the house even more generously. Simply because I believe you gain more on the south side than you lose on the north side. Once the final position is fixed, you should grab the involved planners again and discuss a possible adjustment of the height. It’s probably not necessary, but better safe than sorry.

I can understand your considerations with the neighbor and would do exactly the same. On the other hand, your construction will be a change anyway that he has to adjust to. And compared to the original plan (with the carport right in front of his nose), the new idea is even better for him. Regarding the design of the carport, I could imagine that, for example, an airy rhombus cladding (possibly only partially high) on the north and east sides would be tolerated. At least here, the building authority would not override an agreement between neighbors. You can also just do it that way and see how it goes – in the worst case, you have to take it down again. Or you use tension wires between the posts and plant climbing plants. Visually, that definitely works. The neighbor then sees a nice wood structure and/or greenery. You can also beautifully plant the east border, and he will then have a view into the greenery all the way to the house.
The option of placing the carport directly next to the house (like the first photo in post #13, just rotated) is probably nonsense, right? That would of course be the most neighbor-friendly variant. And since you had that planned alternatively, I hoped your southeast room on the ground floor might only be a subordinate room (utility room or similar). But since there are two windows on the side views, I assume it’s a living room.

Regarding the L-stone question: the details of the load-bearing capacity must be clarified by a soil survey. Even in the current planning, the northeast area of the house is above the natural terrain. So that has to be planned somehow anyway. Independently of that, I would try to avoid a height offset running somewhere in the middle of the property. That restricts your use but has no positive benefit. Could the following be possible?: raising the entire east border as well as the eastern parts of the north border by 1m with L-stones or similar. Then model the now flatter terrain as desired. In your plans, terms like top of wall (OK-Mauer) and similar appear frequently there, and it’s not clear to me what it looks like on site and what the best approach is. Possibly, you can also place rough stone blocks at the borders and pile up earth.
 

wullewuu

2021-12-29 20:24:24
  • #6


Hello,

Thanks for your feedback. So in the very first plan, the carport is indeed right in front, but lower, so the neighbor looks over it. The conservatory is additionally built elevated.. but he was not enthusiastic about the first plan anyway. He liked the solution with the carport directly at the house, but ok.. he doesn’t decide in the end. The carport directly in front in the southeastern corner at the same height as the conservatory would be a disaster for him because it would even block his light. I understand him there, and we don’t want that solution either.
For the variants of the carport on the east side with 4–5m distance from the street, a cladding of the carport is no problem, at the street front it is an exception that a carport is allowed there and one doesn’t want closed structures. I can also understand that.
An adjustment of the height is no longer possible, the project is too far advanced and it would delay everything. Slightly shifting the foundation slab is uncomplicated though. New heights are more difficult due to house height usage. The advantage of this height: wastewater flows away without backflow. Furthermore, the south side rises, so it fits well that the finished floor level is at 205.85 m. So that is well planned :)
We now tend towards 5–5.5 m ingress, then there are still 7 m to the neighbor on the north side. There I would then catch the house with 1.5 m distance using L-stones and plan spray protection and planting at the house. The plot below will be raised to 204.6 m, as the carport foundation could be done for example, then everything is planned and you have 90 cm wall at the back. That is okay. The whole plot in the west will then be divided into two plateaus. Once the northwest with the mentioned 204.6 m or slightly rising and approximately at the terrace height then a rise to 205,x m, then the second plateau is on top. In the northeast, behind the garage/carport there could still be a large shed for everything else up to the eastern boundary.
What do you think? Sounds good to me. Would you position the house flush with the carport? Or have 1.5 m overhang so it is flush with the L-stones.. I’ll make a drawing…

The eastern boundary can be raised, after all, the southeast is planned that way (there the neighbor also has a wall already, he has already raised it), but due to the slope it can’t be done over the whole stretch.
 

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