Masonry from Ytong 24 or 30 for single-family house?

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sergutsh

2023-01-14 15:48:49
  • #1
- so my brine-water heat pump cost 10k (without waiting time), the drilling - another 7.5k. If you deduct the gas connection fee from that, with your gas boiler you must have even gotten the money from the heating engineer and thus be in the plus, right? ;-)
 

Nutshell

2023-01-14 17:54:12
  • #2
So I have an air-to-air heat pump and gas with solar.
The air-to-air heat pump has a SCOP of 4.6 according to the datasheet.
Used up 840 kWh this winter so far. That’s 3,850 kWh of heating output.

I always had around 8,000 kWh of gas, so that fits, the winter is not over yet.

Gas was worthwhile back then, I had years when the advance payment was just 28€.
How are you supposed to justify an expensive geothermal drilling with that?

In the end, I would have saved money if I had simply installed a MultiSplit air conditioning unit when building in 2013. All the nonsense with underfloor heating or complex concepts is wasted money in our insulated small houses. So I just left the gas heating. Cooling through underfloor heating is risky and complicated.
 

WilderSueden

2023-01-14 19:43:09
  • #3
Hardly for a single-family house anymore. But for a multi-family house with 4-8 units, you certainly reach areas where it pays off. An additional advantage is the purely indoor installation; no outdoor unit is needed.
 

OWLer

2023-01-14 23:07:51
  • #4


What kind of numbers are these, which sources are you using? I cannot even remotely follow them and I claim: THE NUMBERS ARE WRONG!

The BAFA calculates for natural gas 201g CO2 per kWh (eew_infoblatt_co2_faktoren_2021-1.pdf) and according to the German Environment Agency the electricity mix had an emission factor of 420g CO2 per kWh in 2021.

With natural gas, with a bit of goodwill, it is used 1:1 for heating. Heat pump in old buildings has an annual performance factor of 3 and thus results in 140g CO2e per kWh. In new buildings, the heat pump has to be above 4 (otherwise shoddy work) and thus results in 105g CO2e per kWh.

Heat pumps are thus only half as climate-damaging as gas in new buildings. Our climate targets according to Paris 2015 require neutrality by 2050 – heat pumps will therefore only improve further through the electricity mix. Gas remains gas and woe if someone now comes along with hydrogen.
 

parcus

2023-01-15 10:22:28
  • #5
@ The primary energy factors are the current ones and must be used as the basis for every thermal insulation and heat load verification. When it comes to the values from BAFA, a distinction must be made between heating value and calorific value, which is also correct. However, energy consultations may also change usage conditions. That means private law is not the same as public law. For both, no electricity mix may be applied for heat pumps; this has been set to zero by policy. And with an annual performance factor of 2, where do you stand? Regarding optimistic annual performance factor values, you can refer to the Fraunhofer study. What really comes out of it, you can see on YT with the "Energiesparkommissar." "Zukunft Altbau" one month ago for energy consultants. The storage of hydrogen is far too expensive and thus, like e-cars, only a luxury for many. Ultimately, everything will be relativized by the electricity price, because the average consumer does not have five- to six-figure savings. And that is why it is important that modern heat pump systems are used and not every slow seller still goes away at double the price as now. Photovoltaics and battery storage do not need to be mentioned anymore at present, unless you already have a Rolex on your wrist and a Porsche as a second car. However, they also contribute far too little to heating and are thus, even for the KfW efficiency house, out of funding now.
 

parcus

2023-01-15 10:32:01
  • #6
Or in other words, the motto for new construction is to save energy. And this is achieved through the building envelope and smart usage. The heating load always remains the same, no matter what type of energy source is used.
 

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