LTM decentralized ventilation system experience exchange

  • Erstellt am 2011-04-03 16:11:21

C&C

2011-10-09 15:47:07
  • #1
Meanwhile, there are systems for cleaning central controlled residential ventilation systems, some of which are even certified. I think with a controlled residential ventilation system it is the same as with general household cleanliness. If you, to take up your example, do not clean your household for 5-10 years, your children can just as well get sick because of it.

Go to Aunt Google:
1. Enter the search term "CleanSafe controlled residential ventilation"
2. Click on the first result
 

jothaler

2011-10-30 14:26:33
  • #2
Hello,

regarding hygiene in air ducts:

In most cases, the ducts are made of steel sheet metal and are therefore not so susceptible to mold growth or similar, since there is no significant germ proliferation on metallic surfaces.
Furthermore, the basis for germ formation must also be present. Most systems also work with very good filters.

In my opinion, air ducts in commercial buildings are maintenance-free.
In public buildings, it may be somewhat different, although I have never seen ducts being cleaned there either.

Best regards
 

cengi

2012-01-05 03:30:52
  • #3
I am more in favor of decentralized systems.

My opinion comes from my logic, which says:

Better 8 external wall units in a single-family house with a total duct length of maybe 3.2m
than 1 central unit with 10, 20, 50, or 70m duct length, which certainly cannot be kept clean easily or perhaps even at all in the long term. Even if there are cleaning options, when would you schedule such a cleaning? At fixed intervals or do an endoscopy beforehand? I, for one, do not want to know what the ducts look like after 15 years! That would be worth a field test! Maybe a small UPUAUT for ventilation ducts could be designed. In the pyramid, it eventually got stuck. =)
Besides, air then has to be moved over a much longer distance.

If one unit fails, not the entire system fails as with a central system.

The external wall units are easily accessible and easy to maintain.

Depending on the budget, one could even equip the rooms gradually with the external wall units if the sleeves and the electrics are arranged beforehand.

I also want to say something about efficiencies:
An incredible amount is thrown around with formulas, foreign words, highly precise calculations, and theories.

The problem is that it is all just theory, or does anyone here really believe that if their exterior wall has a calculated U-value of 0.15, their exterior wall actually has this value?

I dare say the actual deviation can be up to 50%.

Example: The thermal insulation value of wood is assumed to be about 40% better in Switzerland (at least significantly better, and the individual professors argue about the correct value, precisely the value of the wise!) and is inserted into these atomic physics formulas as opposed to Germany.

Well, the Swiss are just a bit better than the Germans in many things =).

Jokes aside, who really believes Swiss wood is so much better? It simply comes down to different specialists and scientists "calculating" this value.

Anyone who is familiar with wood and has worked with it will confirm to me that all this is nonsense.

Unfortunately, I fear it is the same with the specified properties of masonry, insulation materials, etc.

And probably also with the efficiencies and efficiency calculations of heating systems.

Every day, I see that builders argue over whether their wall should or may have a U-value of 0.22 or 0.23.

If you really want to be sure, then after 15 years you would have to open the wall of a skeleton construction with a vapor barrier once and measure how moist or rotten the mineral wool insulation is.
Or ask friends and acquaintances how much energy they consumed and with which companies/materials/techniques they are satisfied.

And then you see how much the U-value of the wall cited when building/buying the house is really worth.

A building services engineer once told me:
Only plan and install materials and devices that have proven themselves on the market for at least 15 years.

The first 15 years are unfortunately the "guinea pig trial period."

Think of the miracle fiber asbestos!
Or lindane, or Xyladecor, or the sun machine.

Who knows what else awaits us in building materials, construction, and heating technology.

I can only say, build houses from materials and with technology that you know work and that have proven themselves relatively well and for a long time.

The entire industry jumps on the insulation, technology, and energy-saving hype and has ensured that the wage/material ratio is around 25/75% instead of around 50/50.

Here I ask myself whether extremely careful craftsmanship in house construction is not even worth as much, if not much more, than special materials and special technology that might be installed by some pushy sales teams along with endless calculations and formulas.

Purchases are made based on emotion, UNFORTUNATELY not on reason!!

Apparently, many builders do not want to hear the truth.
They want to hear how great their dream house will be, what great properties it has, how little energy it consumes, and how great, fast, and cheap it all is. And of course, how quickly they have to sign now so that those great, exorbitant, disproportionately high, and utterly unjustifiable sales commissions can flow quickly.

Building is a tiring, stressful, extremely burdensome time... maybe
the worst event apart from death or illness that a young average family experiences in life.

Therefore, no one should abuse this. No professional house sellers, no planners, no construction companies, no industry, and no one else.

Grade 6,
missed the point, sorry.

I would take the LTM as well.
 

TomTom1

2012-01-05 17:29:43
  • #4
Hello!

I understand the skepticism - but not the result. I also have 20 decentralized exterior wall units in the house without excessive duct length - these parts are called "windows"; they existed even 15 years ago.

In the description of the LTM units, I found nothing about efficiency - nor anything possibly inaccurate.

The highlight was the following statement: "Due to the low air exchange rate, the interior (in summer) stays cooler longer than with window ventilation."
So the low performance is even positively spun. So I better don't ventilate at all and it stays cooler even longer.

I have already expressed my doubts about the efficiency of decentralized systems elsewhere. If the performance now even falls behind that of window ventilation, I no longer see any theoretical advantages - except for the seller.

In summer, I ventilate (and cool) very effectively mainly at night, and in winter I forgo a heat recovery of a few percentage points, which is probably more than offset by the investment, electricity consumption, and noise pollution.

Best regards,
Tomtom.
 

selbstzahler

2013-04-20 13:46:06
  • #5
surprisingly loud!
We installed an LTM 1230 with double control SL-K in a sleeping room.
When I turned it on for the first time, I noticed that the device is very loud. The installer who selected and delivered the device was also surprised about this. In response to my complaint, a sales representative from the manufacturer called me and explained in practiced words that only the noise level of stage 1 (of 3 stages) is suitable for sleeping. On the manufacturer's website, this level is specified as 21 dB(A), the legal limit for sleeping rooms is 24 dB(A).
Subjectively, even this level is very loud and does not allow (at least for me) undisturbed sleep.
My request for cancellation of the purchase was declined.

Conclusion: The fan is useless to me, the money is wasted.
 

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