Do radiators always have to be placed under the windows in new buildings?

  • Erstellt am 2022-05-26 19:39:15

Bardamu

2022-05-28 13:14:04
  • #1
I always wonder why wood as a fuel is being phased out. Apparently, our traffic light coalition government wants to abolish this type of heating (wood stove, tiled stove, pellet heating) in single-family homes over the years. As far as I know, wood is climate-neutral because the CO2 emissions from burning are just as high as the CO2 neutralization of a tree during its "lifetime." In contrast, some politicians declare nuclear energy as environmentally friendly. And this opinion is also widespread otherwise. But everyone can probably understand that nuclear waste (e.g., plutonium) is not so green. Not to mention power plant accidents. See Fukushima, Chernobyl, wartime, power outages... One is enough for a decades-long disaster. Uninhabitable regions for centuries. In my opinion, nuclear power plants are not environmentally friendly but an absolute catastrophe. Sorry, this only somewhat fits here, but also in relation to biomass power plants.
 

RotorMotor

2022-05-28 13:47:41
  • #2
It rather doesn't fit this thread at all, but I still want to answer your question a bit. ;-)

This is the case with coal, oil, and gas just as it is with wood. Unfortunately, with all these fuels it is not possible to reproduce them as quickly (whether industrially or naturally) as they are consumed. With wood, it is indeed faster than with the former mentioned, but the problem is the same.

Yes, because that makes sense. Besides CO2, a lot of fine dust is emitted.
 

Deliverer

2022-05-28 18:42:05
  • #3
And we have no further potential for timber cultivation in Germany. The dry summers are already destroying more than is regrowing. Overexploitation in the East is not a really good way out of any crisis.

On the contrary: The amount of biomass cultivated solely for energy production must urgently be reduced if we still want to have something to eat. (The alternative could be giving up meat, but God forbid, no politician should tackle that!)
 

Steffi33

2022-05-31 10:07:04
  • #4
We furnished everything ourselves. Honestly... nothing special at all... many pieces of furniture are already 20...30 years old. Most of them are made of wood, leather... so we wanted to keep them. The actual experience is probably: don’t overload with knick-knacks, don’t let dirty corners appear, lots of (light) wood, not too many plants, but ones you should lovingly care for, don’t squeeze furniture into corners, bright, warm lighting, curtains also bring coziness... A no-go for me are, for example, colorful flowerpots, I also reluctantly use colorful towels in the bathroom, spices, kitchen appliances etc. standing around on the kitchen table... same in the bathroom... only the soap is out... everything else is in the cupboard, rickety plants, overflowing shoe cabinets and clothes racks in the visible area... oh... actually everyone knows that. If you then edit the photos a little (usually brighten them a bit)... you have a beautiful home.
 

Pinkiponk

2022-05-31 11:13:23
  • #5
Your skill and your sense of aesthetics go far beyond what you described, but I understand; you either can do it or you can’t.
 

dertill

2022-05-31 13:31:55
  • #6


No offense intended, just so this statement is not adopted by others: No.

1. Radiators have always been and still are installed somewhere on the exterior wall, exceptions do occur. This is because the building’s transmission heat losses naturally occur at the building envelope, and the temperature would be lower at radiators mounted on interior walls. This would lead to drafts, condensation due to cold walls, and other problems. In new buildings with exterior walls that have high thermal insulation, this is no longer as important but still helpful. Underfloor heating avoids this by providing even heat distribution throughout the room, working better the higher the thermal protection of the building envelope is.

2. Windows are not thermal bridges (nor cold bridges). Thermal bridges are something else. For example, there are geometry-related thermal bridges, like building exterior corners, or construction-related thermal bridges, such as connection points from interior walls or roof to wall, etc. Windows are simply components which normally (at the same energy standard) have a higher U-value than the opaque exterior wall. This results in higher heat loss and a lower surface temperature on the interior side of the component. In older windows (older than 1994), the U-value was so high that the indoor air cooled significantly at that spot and, due to the higher density of the cold air, it basically "fell" downward there. It is not the case that a lot of cold air penetrates there, unless you have a (stupid) window frame ventilator or very old windows and it is windy.

3. The air in radiators does not "fall" from top to bottom and is heated in between. Convection heaters / radiators use the chimney effect for heat emission, which occurs when the air that is rather cold near the floor is heated in the spaces within the radiator, expands, and rises due to its lower density (hot-air balloon?). The resulting underpressure at the lower inlet of the radiator causes more air to be "sucked in" from below -> natural convection on hot surfaces with chimney effect.

If radiators are placed under windows, the effect of the air cooling and sinking at the windows is offset by the warm air rising from the radiators and ... tadaa no drafts, no cold surfaces, but dry windows due to the warm air passing along and an even temperature distribution in the room.

With newer windows, the heat losses are significantly lower (less than one third of the "old" windows). As a result, this effect hardly occurs anymore and underfloor heating is possible without restrictions and radiators can be placed elsewhere.

By the way, the typical temperatures of underfloor heating in new buildings of 30-35°C cannot be achieved with classic radiators. Convection radiators require a temperature difference to the room air of about 15-20°C to utilize the chimney effect; below that, they mainly function through heat emission by radiation on the surface. For the load case, they would have to be massively oversized if you cannot use the convection effect with the low temperatures.
Therefore, well-designed radiators require about 45°C in the supply line and 35°C in the return line. Alternatively, the radiators can of course be actively ventilated, similar to how air/air heat pumps work – with the same comfort downsides. But then heating circuit temperatures below 40°C can also be realized without underfloor heating.
 

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