Is it possible to build cheaply in Hamburg?

Norderstedt is so ugly, Langenhorn Fuhlsbüttel too, Duvenstedt is not affordable. I would not give up Kiel’s quality of life for something like that. If it has to be closer to Hamburg, then Lübeck. 30 min on the A1 to Hamburg. Every 30 min a regional express to Hamburg with about 30 min travel time, affordable, nice, with a beach in Travemünde, with atmosphere in the city, with Dräger, O and K, Schwartau among others as employers. K

100%! We also looked at Norderstedt, but just after the 2-3 viewings we decided against it.
1. still relatively expensive
2. not particularly nice
3. TRAFFIC CHAOS DAILY!!! The route to Hamburg is simply catastrophic.

Lübeck – my parents live there... Unfortunately, the freeway there is also a permanent construction site. Traffic-wise also catastrophic. But you only reach the 30 minutes if you floor it on the left lane and there is hardly any traffic. The solution would be the train, but that’s not for everyone. The area is definitely nice though. Especially the connection towards the sea is great. This way you usually have the weekend traffic jam behind you.

Why is no one looking south of Hamburg?
We have good and nice living here, no flooding, no long way to the coast.
Supermarkets and schools are also available.
We built on leasehold 5 years ago – okay, it’s not for everyone, but our villa cost 250 AI. For that, we pay 230€/month for the ground (and no, we don’t have to ask anyone if we do something on the property, it’s ours...!)
You can calculate from that how much a plot costs here. There are also plots that cost twice as much 5 km away because of a different place name, but it is definitely cheaper than Wedel or Oststeinbek.

We also initially wanted to go south. However, there you also have the traffic disaster with the tunnel or the bridge.... If you often have to commute to Hamburg, it’s just so annoying. Now the bridges behind the tunnel are being renovated again for another decade.
Leasehold is unfortunately also relatively rare. You really got lucky there. But even there, prices have shot up considerably.

We built in Moorrege, part of the Pinneberg district. We built with Kagebau (solid, brick on brick) from Hohenlockstedt and we would do it again. They’re not the cheapest, but a pleasant collaboration. The Kage standard is already very good.
We searched for about three quarters of a year. So it went...

Also building with Kagebau. Technically a top company. Communication we find could be improved. The workers all speak German and you can have a beer with them sometimes. What’s also great is that almost the entire shell is done by Kagebau without subcontractors. Prices are still rather high... it can definitely be done cheaper.
: Right on!

The only downside: The very high daycare fees in Schleswig-Holstein....in Hamburg 5 hours are free

^ the wife can almost stay home directly if she only wants to work part-time anyway. What an average worker brings home almost all goes on fees. But maybe a change will come soon. Talks are already underway.

Traffic-wise the best, except directly in Hamburg, is currently definitely the western part. You can take the highway or drive via country road (Schenefeld, Wedel).
Even Elmshorn, which is still relatively far away, can be reached quickly that way. Outbound traffic during rush hour hardly ever has a traffic jam. Only inbound from 7:30 a.m. is a catastrophe because of the A7 construction site.
But you won’t get a single-family house there for 400k either. Acquaintances build near Pinneberg and are at about 500k (450 sqm plot).
A semi-detached house would be feasible. That’s what we’re doing at the moment. But many decide on that too. Many probably want to have the good money from Hamburg and not have too long a commute. That was the case with us too. Professionally, we unfortunately have to go to Hamburg several times a day. Also, general contractors make more profit with semi-detached houses than with single-family houses. So, of course, they prefer to offer semi-detached houses on free plots.

Irina, don’t get worked up. First find work in Hamburg and commute between. Then you know what you earn, whether Trittau, Bargteheide, Quickborn, Uetersen or even Buxtehude (Airbus!) are better fits. Then act. One thing at a time. And maybe you find something that fits in Schleswig-Holstein, and you can stay in Kiel-Eck-RD-or HL, which is 1000 times better than Hamburg. Because if you are from SH, never forget: where we are is top. K.

I can agree 100% with that. I would also look for work first and commute. If you live east but work west, you’ll be annoyed later to have to cross the whole city every day.

We built in Moorrege, which belongs to the Pinneberg district. We built with Kagebau (solid construction, brick by brick) from Hohenlockstedt and we would do it again. They are not the cheapest, but a pleasant cooperation. The Kage standard is already very good. We searched for about three quarters of a year. So that worked....

Hello Seth, do you have a building blog? Information about Kagebau and prices?

everything drifts off here, please do not misunderstand either. It is simply built more cheaply, with cutbacks. For example, a different brand of sanitary fittings. But if additional costs arise, you may need additional financing.

Sorry, but I see it differently. Once you understand the principle (which is not difficult), you try to clarify and factor in any possible extra costs as early as possible.

I believe that you take more of a risk with architects. When I read here how often reality deviates from their estimates.

With Town & Country, the risk of additional financing rather depends on how well you have informed yourself beforehand and whether you can stay disciplined. Then in the end, you get what was calculated at the beginning.

At Town & Country, the risk of additional financing mainly depends on how well you informed yourself beforehand and whether you can remain disciplined. Then, in the end, the result matches what was calculated at the beginning.

The same goes for our experience:
A solid plan, discipline in the customization, and nothing gets more expensive. Karsten

We are currently building in Eutin (district of Ostholstein) for just under 400k with a few extras.
Plot of 600sqm in a cozy small town with 18k inhabitants and you can quickly get to the Baltic Sea.

Lübeck and Kiel are very easily accessible, Hamburg would also still be acceptable for commuting (matter of opinion).
I would first look for a suitable job, then determine the corresponding main place of residence, and then buy a plot of land.

It is also a question of whether you have to go to Hamburg to find the appropriate work.
Salary is of course higher than in the surrounding area, but so are the costs / efforts (commuting time, etc.).

Hello Seth, do you have a construction blog? Info about Kage construction and prices?

We are also building with Kage. In November '18 (1 month after we signed) there was a rather one-sided report on TV about botched construction. There was also an example involving the company Kage. We informed ourselves well about it and formed our own opinion, but everyone has to do that themselves... I think it doesn't matter here. If you want to hear my personal opinion privately, send your email. I can't use messages here. Regarding the construction itself, I can say that it is going very well. Errors are corrected promptly. The site manager is always reachable or calls back shortly after. We do a relatively large part ourselves and with questions Kage doesn't leave you out in the cold. Our building supervisor is also super satisfied as of now. The only thing that is somewhat annoying is partly the communication with the office. That can definitely be improved, but as long as the house is built according to the state of the art, I don't care and just call a bit afterwards. The language on the construction site is consistently German. The shell construction is almost completely done by Kage. They have everything in hand from the mason to the carpenter. Only a few subcontractors have some language problems, where you then have to talk to the boss and not the craftsman on site. Price-wise, it’s not the cheapest provider, but for that I can take a week off without worries and not have to drive to the construction site. The standard equipment is okay, though that is always a matter of opinion. If you want exact prices for certain things, then write again.