House brochures - hard to believe

  • Erstellt am 2017-03-11 13:13:46

Alex85

2017-03-11 18:51:49
  • #1
I work with an architect and individual trade contracts because I want transparency. I want to engage with the materials and know what I am spending money on. I want to pay for extras what they are worth, not a sky-high price for sample changes with limited selection. But this goes both ways, I also want to be able to "unselect" if I wish, and fully benefit from the savings. Whether this is cheaper overall is debatable, but I feel better about it. It suits me better.

However, I believe I am in the minority with this. The picture in the forum only distorts this, because the buyer from a developer buys off the shelf and rarely frequents forums. If Amazon sold houses, they would be the industry leader within half a year.
 

11ant

2017-03-11 19:23:52
  • #2


No, hehe: I can just imagine people in my head casually ordering houses to try on and sending them back for free because they don't like the tiles after all *LOL*



in this case not, because I was specifically interested in the comparison of off-the-shelf providers, i.e. I only included the solid builders insofar as they even have catalogs. I was not concerned with the architect as the "laughing third party," nor with solid construction versus timber panel, but material-independently with a cross-section of standard model providers. And in doing so, also about the quality of the information, where its usefulness counts.



That's exactly how I see it, and I was never of the opinion that a prefab house has to distinguish itself by a price difference, neither in one direction nor the other. The work of an architect has value and purpose, thus also a price (whether billed separately or included in total prices). And it also has a lot to do with the specific building project, so simply copying a set of plans does not save anything on a model house. It still has to fit the plot, and that is individual case by case.

And because I see—except for the construction time—no fundamental difference, I regard prefab house manufacturers as "building contractors like any others." Many of the solid builders also have their "specifications." One may only use expanded clay, another aerated concrete, a third sand-lime brick, in my area pumice is still strong, and some only use a certain formwork stone. I see someone who says "I only build walls according to a proprietary recipe as a sandwich with a structural timber core" as equivalent to someone who, although having all freedoms in massive construction, loves one material and rejects all others. And I see it in that sense.



Exactly the opposite: in the sense of my attitude ("also a building contractor, just with a different category of building material than the brick colleagues") the wall construction (or even more: the quality and findability of the information about it) is simply an essential part of the service description.

By the way, the wall construction was a driving topic in the trend towards individual planning in prefab construction: in the course of Passive / Energy Saving Ordinance / KFW, prefab builders would have had to revise all their house types, as today there is no prize to be won for once being ahead of solid construction in the 90s regarding the ratio of thermal insulation to wall thickness. That is when the slogan "fire free for individual planning" was issued.



I fully agree with you here (unfortunately).



I did not at all make a general criticism of catalogs lacking content—because that would not apply to the majority of the field. Initial information may also omit details, and most providers manage quite well to mention everything essential even in a twenty-page brochure—I don't expect light switch and handle manufacturers to be listed there yet. What I found embarrassing was that the one provider who takes the longest to be useful tells absolutely nothing besides blabla in an unwieldy book that weighs as much as all competitors' info combined.

I criticized some solid builders for lack of content, but only on a taste level: assembling copied designs—leaving aside licensing issues—while one could present a broader range of building proposals from concrete self-built examples, I find unnecessarily pathetic. But statements about what the houses are actually made of were included.

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Before this thread gets off track into the sub-discussion "architect-designed house or prefab house," I want to remind you of my original question. I am interested in:

- did the providers whose information material you received rather print pure appetisers, or were the information suitable to prepare "head decisions" from?

- regardless of what you individually weigh as your top ten facts: were they clearly extractable from the info material or hidden like Easter eggs?

- did you rather get the impression that you could compare houses like, for example, cars (or more like loans or insurances), or did the brochures just say "we are proud of our photographer—but never ask what's in our sausage dough"?

The information I received was otherwise mostly of satisfactory quality. At least everyone except this provider with the particularly thick book (the one from the large doctors' villa confectioner doesn't even weigh half as much) concerned themselves with houses of today for people of today with plots of today, instead of serving me an unusable replacement with some socio-philosophical brochure on urban development of tomorrow, which only a housing association could handle on the plot alone. That disappointed my expectations for an information package for a single-family house builder 2017/2018 with drums and trumpets (and that of Jericho).
 

Sascha aus H

2017-03-11 19:39:33
  • #3

I agree with you that it belongs to the scope of services. My statement referred to the fact that few clients actually want to deal with materials, and therefore it does not matter whether they are available in a catalog or not.

I can answer the question with a clear yes, it was enough for us every time. We used catalogs only when searching for ideas for the layout. When it came to planning our construction project, I had the companies send me their scope of services before I scheduled a first meeting.
 

RobsonMKK

2017-03-11 20:07:06
  • #4
Catalog is not the same as a construction service description. That basically says it all. A catalog is marketing material, I use it to entice people, nothing more. Anyone who has a different expectation has probably never looked at a car catalog or something similar. ZDF - numbers, data, facts at consumer level, that's what matters. No one wants to compare the deep technical details of providers already in the preliminary selection. Ultimately, these details are just one piece of the puzzle as to why one chooses provider A or B. And is right, in the end the wall structure is not really the relevant thing. Company A builds this way, company B that way. At the end of the day, there is a house that complies with the Energy Saving Ordinance or KfW or whatever. Of course I sort out the things I don't like (e.g. ETICS, or someone who builds with Ytong or whatever my criteria are).
 

haydee

2017-03-11 20:41:14
  • #5
I think there is a suitable partner for everyone.

We are not interested in pretty pictures and are looking for a mix that suits us of deciding for ourselves and not checking every single step.
Friends of ours go to a provider. (Brother-in-law of a buddy, didn’t even ask why we are not building with them. After all, he is family to me)
No model house visited
No thoughts given to floor plans etc.
No comparisons made
Construction service description, uh, what is that
You guys think about where you want which power sockets - do I have to ???
 

Nordlys

2017-03-12 12:39:48
  • #6
I positively remember the catalogs from Scanhaus Marlow Marlow: prices included, construction service description included, technical information included, clearly structured what is standard and what is extra. Caution: the construction service description from Scanhaus Marlow Marlow contains downward deviations: e.g. no wall and floor coverings, therefore no tiles either. Very simple foundation slab. Team Massivhaus-Büdelsdorf: prices included, construction service description included, CD ROM included with many floor plan variants to those printed in the catalog. Great transparency in surcharges. However, it is not a nationwide provider. Karsten
 

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