Floor plan of semi-detached house with shed roof and balcony terrace - Feedback

:cool: oh... I knew it after all. As I said, in the other thread there were multiple requests for floor plans and I was already worried about that (rightly so :D). But since we have made the provider decision, which really gives you a sense of relief because that Damocles sword is off for now, I have the energy to face the "experts'" opinions here in the forum regarding the floor plan, pardon... sketch. And since the real planning with the architect is coming soon anyway (date not yet set), I am quite relaxed about the comments here.

I meant that quite friendly and honestly. Apparently, you have some need to blow off steam.

If that was friendly, I wouldn’t want to experience your unfriendly attitude :eek: As I said, I am deeply relaxed. I’m done being annoyed about the incompetent community, the stupid architect for the development plan (shed roof facing north... hello, have you heard of photovoltaics?? etc.), or I can save that for when it becomes relevant again. No one forced me to show the sketches, all good.

Why do you stress yourself out with this?

As I said, you (at least those who repeatedly asked for floor plans in the provider decision thread) are getting what you asked for. I would already be grateful for sensible suggestions for changes, especially the bathroom in the attic will certainly not stay like that. We are actually quite satisfied with the ground floor and upper floor.

Especially if you as a paying customer want to see value, you shouldn’t turn an architect into a drafting slave!

Maybe I have the wrong idea here. Our idea was that we go to the appointment with the architect, tell him our wishes, show him the development plan within whose framework we can operate, and then show our sketches of how we imagine the room layout. How the real floor plans will look in the end, I can’t estimate at all. Everything from... it fits like that, to oh dear, we have to change everything (although I don’t see how) can happen. But what do you mean by turning him into a drafting slave?? If he lets himself be disturbed by our sketches and statements like that, I would be very disappointed in him. I hope to meet a professional there.

You can already see it with the ground floor... although without measurements, but just look at the kitchen, where is the wardrobe?

What does the kitchen have to do with the wardrobe?? Ok, so currently directly on the left (top view) next to the entrance is space for a shoe rack and possibly a wardrobe above. And yes... on the backside of the kitchen, i.e. in the stairwell area along 2 m length, a narrow shoe cabinet and a further even larger wardrobe rod could be installed.

Your living room area in its stub is probably about 280 wide... what kind of furniture is all in there?

It is even only 2.7 m (well spotted), there are 1-2 cabinets, a small table, and a reading basket or hanging chair mounted on the ceiling planned. This will be my wife’s book reading corner :)

A garage with an external dimension of 3 m... you won’t get bikes through it, so why a garage?

The garage is only for the car and not for bicycles! Ok... maybe with a wall mounting... we’ll see. Otherwise, the bikes will be brought through the garden (gate) into the garden and then to the bike port or garden shed. That is by no means clear yet and is currently very low priority for me. But yes, we have thought of it.

Then I want to see how you’ll still get through to the shower.

I don’t see the problem, our bathroom is currently even narrower than the one in the sketch. As I said, the attic and both the position of the rooms (office, bedroom, bathroom) as well as the position of the doors and windows are the least fixed. Why, I already explained on previous pages.

We ignorant critics should hold back more, the call "fire at will" was probably more for the thundering applause.

They always say irony doesn’t come across on TV and the internet... this is proof again. The "fire at will" (with your slam, and yes... "not worth discussing", knowing full well to accuse someone who put hours of work into it, that’s exactly what it was!, was meant sarcastically. And when I see that others also hesitate to post their floor plans, I’m probably not the only one who feels that way.

For my part, I am still looking for the stairway down to the basement on the ground floor. That should be somewhere in the kitchen, right? Or maybe I misunderstood something.

Yes, you didn’t understand. :rolleyes: The stairway down is all the way on the right in the stairwell. To the left of it, a vertical arrow starts (the stairs up) to the landing, makes a 90° turn, and then ends in the upper floor. Accordingly, directly underneath is the stairway down to the basement. :)

You can just let it sink in.

Yes wow!! Many thanks for the 3D view! We have a 3D quick function at Roomsketcher as well (but just from above). Overall, it looks pretty good so far. Yes, ideal is different. I want to remind again that we’re talking about a house only 7m wide, so there simply isn't that much space to create large, far-reaching rooms.

better not. This is not thought through from start to finish.

So please, everyone thinks it's stupid, but no one says how to do it better. So, show me! And don't forget, a podium staircase is mandatory! 34cm exterior wall and a dimension of 7x11 m are fixed.

One could also say (soon) 44…

Yes, luckily it's not that far yet ^^ I never really understood why you have to enter your age in the questionnaire? So they know from when you need the walker and a stairlift? :D

Maybe I have the wrong idea.

Yes. Architects are people too. If you bring your own preliminary designs, he will hardly tell you "that can go away, it's better done this way," but rather make things worse based on them. What he would have planned if he could have planned free from the influence of any preliminary designs, you will never find out. Whether you could be inspired by a good idea of his, you will never discover. It is self-deception to pay money for that. And no, "Of course, you can also freely do something completely different…" doesn't work. Once seen, always bound. Would you commission a star chef to create a soup for you because you like soups so much and give him your homemade one to try beforehand with the words, "THIS would be pretty good!"? Do you think he would still freely use his abilities for you afterward if you only pay him when you like it?

... I have the energy to confront the "expert" opinions here in the forum regarding the floor plan, pardon... sketch. And since soon (date not yet fixed) the actual planning with the architect will take place anyway, I approach the comments here very relaxed.

I don't necessarily share that feeling now. I don't know how the others see it. I'm just considering whether to get the popcorn out...

If that was friendly, I wouldn't want to experience your unfriendly manner :eek:

It really was. We're not here to humiliate you or anything else. We're advising you – by the way, completely free of charge. What you take away from it is your business. Apart from that, when I get tense, it usually looks more like in this thread – (which is really rare, I’m usually quite compliant and unproblematic *ahem*):
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-haus-mit-elw-verbesserungsvorschlaege.44068/post-594709

As I said, you (at least those who kept asking about floor plans in the provider decision thread) I will deliver this afterwards.

That was probably still too early for that. However, I also can’t recall. I wanted to check in which threads that was, but you have locked your profile, is that right? I can’t follow the backstory, perhaps you just post a link?

I would be grateful for meaningful change suggestions, especially the bathroom in the upper floor will certainly not remain like that. We are actually quite satisfied with the ground floor and first floor.

Why the rush? Just wait for the architect appointment and its result. Please don’t misunderstand again – we are very happy to help with floor plan questions (it’s an addiction) – but first, you need a meaningful basis from some professional.

Maybe I have a wrong idea. Our idea was that we come to the appointment with the architect, present our wishes, show the development plan within which framework we can move, and then show our sketches of how we imagine the room layout.
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But what do you mean, I make a draftsman out of him?? If he lets himself get unsettled by our sketches and statements like that, I would be seriously disappointed. I hope to meet a professional there.

A common mistake. The architect will only invest their own brainpower if they are free to plan first – especially free from sketches. Such plans often kill every initiative – especially if these are not truly creative architects (who hardly take on such projects anymore – way too cheap). So be cautious in the first meeting with your own drafts. You can always bring those later (in your case I’d rather advise against it – sorry ;)).

The "fire at will" (with your tirade, and yes... "not worthy of discussion," knowingly attesting something to someone who has put hours of work into it, is exactly that!, was meant sarcastically. And when I see others also struggling to post their floor plan, I guess I’m not the only one who feels that way.

It’s not your job to waste your time on that. There is a reason why it takes several years of study for that and why the country has established that laypeople are not allowed to build without a professional.

Yes, ideal is something else.

Well, that’s something already. A first insight.

I would like to remind you that we are talking about a house that is only 7 meters wide, so there isn’t much space left to create large, far-reaching rooms.

These row house–like formats have already been built countless times. There are many floor plans online which you might want to look at for a first impression. That way you get a feel for your options.

Sorry, I'm adding a floor plan that at least shows the outside dimensions again. BUT!! This is the old floor plan, the layout there is now obsolete! ... Yes, as I said... we had to create new floor plans and had forgotten the basement in the process.

Apparently, there were or are already plans. I suspect from the developer himself. I would be interested in those.

Otherwise, the bicycles are brought through the garden (-gate) into the garden and then to the bike port or garden shed.

Through which garden gate? A gate at the end of the garage? Have fun with kids and the bike passing by the car in the narrow garage ;) And just asking, is there a regulation that the entrance to the house must be from the front? I had sketched a floor plan with a side entrance for Goalkeeper back then - .. it was just without a basement and balcony etc. but maybe a suggestion.