Floor plan 3 children's bedrooms single-family house - potentials?

Hello dear forum,

We have a serviced (north-facing) plot of 570 sqm and are now racking our brains about how we want to build on it.

Wishes
- 3 children's rooms, 1 bedroom, bathroom upstairs
- Utility room upstairs/downstairs (possibly laundry chute to the ground floor)
- Passage from garage into the house with a mudroom/wardrobe
- Garage connected to the house on the east side, may be on the property boundary
- 2 full floors + basement or knee wall >2m upstairs
- Fully basement if affordable
- Pantry by the kitchen, not an eternal way from the entrance to the kitchen
- Few bay windows/ornaments and the like necessary

After some online planner attempts, we started with paper and pencil. 1mm=10cm

The floor plan would also suit us if it weren’t for the estimated construction costs: 12×11 m.
1-2 meters less would probably be helpful.

We based the dimensions on rooms and distances known to us (parents' houses, friends, etc.).

Ground floor


Upper floor


Most likely, I can imagine taking back the west wall or south wall. Can you still save space sensibly there without making it cramped, or are we on the wrong track?

I will add pictures with room labels again if it is not clear. The ground floor has guest bathroom on the left, utility room on the right.

Thanks for the feedback!

Regards!

P.S. Children's rooms should be 13 sqm or better 15 sqm if possible. They are already quite substantial now, and are made fairly large through the ground floor.

After some online planner attempts, we started with paper and pencil. 1mm=10cm

Very good decision: the fiddly puzzle will also be used properly… that wouldn’t be the case with the online planner. Is there a reason why the sofa was erased? Of course, I’m not asking without reason. Because ultimately, a sofa there, where it’s probably supposed to stand, doesn’t really satisfy. You can also clearly see that there will be a lot of empty space between the living and dining areas. One has to be able to afford this space, as well as the ample hallway and the huge children’s room. However, I assume the basement is going to be eliminated here. What is very striking: you simply stopped at the top: built many corners in the hallway and yet the doors have no space. That’s because somewhere the worm has crept in – which means the only solution is: start over! And if you do that: - please give the wardrobe cabinet a depth of 60, too, - measure your shoulder width yourselves and accordingly plan the pantry access while holding a sheet metal in your hands. - Doors open into the rooms, there are reasons for that… there are exceptions. - Rethink kitchen size - Technology needs more space, much more space What is your price expectation for just the house without ancillary building costs and without garage, etc.?

After some online planner attempts, we started with paper and pencil. 1mm=10cm

Kudos from me as well for the wise decision! Now just focus on the planning trick "The upper floor takes precedence" (best to look it up externally including the quotation marks), then the oversize problem will also work out:

The floor plan would suit us too if it weren’t for the estimated construction costs: 12×11 m.

And orient your floor plans north if possible. Besides, I have the impression that you are using the building window clumsily (more precisely: you are giving up the additional garage building window). For floor plans suitable for families with three children, I believe we have them here at and at And here: we also already had the issue of the narrow pantry passage under crossfire.

My thread starts relatively slowly with a lot of preliminary talk.
Here is the final floor plan, you are of course welcome to fight your way through everything anyway:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-einfamilienhaus-auf-500-m2-grundstueck-rechteck.33505/post-409926

A few notes after about 18 months of real-life testing:
- The utility room is too small. Although everything fits in there, there isn’t much storage space left and doing laundry in there is already difficult. I still don’t know how we will manage when the inverter and possibly a battery need to be installed.
- The kitchen is a strange thing. As it is (L-shaped kitchen see almost final self-planning here – the final execution had a wider passage, so the tall cabinets went all the way to the wall) there is a bit too much empty space, but for an island it is too shallow. Nevertheless, we will probably still add a narrow island due to lack of storage once the piggy bank has more to feed on again.
- Office. I feel comfortable, but it is really quite cramped. If I were 1.90 m and 110 kg, it would probably be too small.
- The bedroom is very packed with a large Pax closet (2 m x 2.36 m x 55 cm) on the wall next to the door as well as dressers and an open wardrobe wall to the children’s room, a 1.80 m bed and bedside tables. So there is absolutely no feeling of spaciousness. But we don’t need that feeling in the bedroom.
- The children’s rooms are okay, but no longer really generous.
- The bathroom is relatively spacious, could certainly be smaller (without the T). With our shower this works without splashing, although the wall is only 1.2 m long.
An actual disaster is the pipe planning on the wall to the children’s room. Because the wall is made of Poroton and was grooved for the pipes of the heating circuit distributor and the bathtub, only 5 cm of wall remains to the children’s room over long stretches. So taking a bath late in the evening is actually not possible.
The children’s room was originally planned for our little one, but we have now positioned my wife’s plant room there. On the one hand because there is much more light there than in the middle room, on the other hand because I was never allowed to take a bath after 10 pm. So basically the pipes should have been in a cladding wall with an installation room and a lot of insulation.
- The middle room is a bit too small and the centered door limits flexibility for furnishing. Due to the one rather large window it is quite dark (complaining at a high level, but compared to the other two rooms it becomes very clear).
- Upstairs in general you notice that a central bay window would have relaxed everything a bit. But with the bay window at that location you can’t really do anything on the ground floor like that. Maybe the room usage would then have to be rotated by 45°. In my head I am always already sketching floor plans for the next house, but the motivation is no longer so great to actually put it on paper.
- It doesn’t really come across in the text, but we do feel comfortable. I’m only describing the rough spots for others, since my floor plan is already being recommended for recycling…
- What I would actually do differently today: All walls upstairs with generous drywall.
1. Because of sound insulation (11.5 cm Poroton is almost like a sound amplifier)…
2. Because of flexibility. Later moving/removing a wall would still be relatively easy. Especially electrical wiring would be easier to expand afterwards.

Oh, one more thing: In hindsight, building the utility room on the street side would have been about 5-8 thousand euros cheaper!

Oh, I almost forgot: Gable roof with [Studiobinder]! Nothing do I regret as much as the stupid hip roof.