Controlled residential ventilation - Planning the positions for supply air / exhaust air

  • Erstellt am 2021-05-05 02:01:37

mwinkelm

2021-05-16 23:54:26
  • #1


Unfortunately, I can't find any information about this from Vallox anywhere. Not even in the operating and installation manual of the currently planned system Vallox ValloPlus 270 MV.

The only thing that comes to mind now: What about the noise level from the exhaust air on the terrace at a height of about 3 meters? Can you hear anything at all there? Or would it already have to be very quiet outside for that? (Info on this: The installation of silencers is definitely planned)
 

K1300S

2021-05-17 06:08:25
  • #2
Looks reasonable. I would definitely prefer this option over the combination cover. And regarding the noise, I wouldn’t worry at all with the usual pipe diameters of these connections. Probably, you can only hear anything at all during total calm and at night. Have you already received any statement about the nominal air exchange rate?
 

AxelH.

2021-05-17 08:09:47
  • #3
Our exhaust air goes from the technical room in the basement through a light well to the outside. And you can hear that very clearly within a radius of several meters from the air outlet. Although: you don’t hear the airflow itself, but the device that operates immediately behind it. The pipe length between the controlled residential ventilation and the air outlet is less than 1 meter.
 

mwinkelm

2021-05-18 00:28:12
  • #4

That could also be done at our place since we also have a light well on the west side, but it doesn’t sound sensible to me. Because, as you yourself confirm, this opens the way for noise from the technical room to the outside.



I have received values for the volume flow rates and know the room sizes. So I did some calculations:

Basic formula: air change rate = volume flow in m³/h / volume of the room in m³ (with 2.5 m room height)










































































































































Floor Room Size in m² Type Volume flow (planned) Air change rate Conclusion
basement Entrance/hallway
14
Supply air
20

0.571428571
Barely okay, but is it sensible at all? Better capacity in the office!
basement Office
21
Supply air
20

0.380952381
Too low
basement Technical room/laundry room
16.36
Exhaust air
20
basement Storage room
8.12
Exhaust air
20
ground floor Kitchen
16.17
Exhaust air
40
ground floor Living/dining
35.4
Supply air
40

0.451977401
Too low
ground floor Pantry
5.14
Exhaust air
20
ground floor WC
3.44
Exhaust air
20
attic Child 1
11.57
Supply air
20

0.691443388
Rather too low
attic Child 2
12.11
Supply air
20

0.660611065
Rather too low
attic Bedroom
19
Supply air
40

0.842105263
OK
attic Bathroom
10.38
Exhaust air
40

172.69

320


In addition, I entered the building values into the Vallox planning tool and got different values (30/60 instead of 20/40). To me that smells like a slight undersizing overall, right? The tool from Helios spits out similar values. I suspect the planner just entered this into the tool and somehow ended up with the lower values. However, I expect a bit more here because the planning of a controlled residential ventilation system and its sizing is an individual matter and should not be done based on average values. As a first reference point maybe OK, but a specialist planner should IMHO look beyond that and be able to advise.

How do you see my assessments? Major blunders in the formula?

I am curious about the second round with him.
 

mwinkelm

2021-05-18 00:50:32
  • #5
And one more question. In the large rooms, where 40m³/h volume flow is currently planned, two pipes are to go to one valve. From a noise development perspective, does it make sense to give each pipe its own valve?
 

AxelH.

2021-05-18 07:05:09
  • #6
That is correct, but completely unproblematic for us since everything happens on the rarely used north side of the garden. And as said, you can hear the controlled residential ventilation at the air outlet, but compared to the noise caused by some air-to-water heat pumps installed outside, it is negligible.
 

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