Construction cost development still normal???

  • Erstellt am 2018-09-11 20:07:10

Fuchur

2018-09-12 19:47:59
  • #1
Another cost-saving measure, or what will be implemented first, is the elimination or significant reduction of the knee wall in the [DG].
 

Dr Hix

2018-09-12 20:15:36
  • #2
The architect is required to inquire about your budget during performance phase 1 and subsequently align the planning accordingly. If the planning later exceeds the specified costs, the architect's work is considered deficient.

The architect then naturally has the right to make appropriate corrections, and you would also be obligated to accept certain savings (however, less living space does NOT count as such). If, in the end, he fails to keep within the specified budget (+/- usual tolerances) by this method, he loses his claim to fees.

You can find an article titled "Kostenbremse kann teuer werden" in the German Architektenblatt dated 30.03.2017. It should be searchable via Google.
 

Alex85

2018-09-12 20:20:20
  • #3


Well. The client took a two-pronged approach here: tendering individual trades and tendering for a general contractor. I think those are two different things that can justify extra effort beyond the flat fee (without wanting to claim to have fully internalized the HOAI - terrible pamphlet!)
 

Fuchur

2018-09-12 20:41:25
  • #4
Yes, I agree. However, there are two major problems lurking: - The deviation tolerated by courts between the basis from service phase 1 and the actual construction costs is very large, and we could just barely fall under it. Additionally, the architect (whether consciously or not, I don’t know) tries to evade this by repeatedly mixing services from different phases; for example, he is already pushing (after the disclosure of the shell construction price!!!) to perform further services of service phases 5 and 6. We have stopped this and prohibited any further external orders until clarification. - For reasons of flexibility, but also on advice regarding cheaper planning costs, we agreed on billing by hourly rate. At least up to the maximum rate, the architect can still issue invoices and is doing so. Only when the rate is reached could we theoretically demand "free" further work. Difficult, since the invoices have already been paid. And then there is the risk that the construction sum will be recalculated, causing the architect’s fees to increase as well. Of course, we have recognized the mistake by now, but this only helps for the next house. No, it was a bit different. Some time ago, we stopped further planning of external services and set the condition to receive a proper cost calculation according to DIN. As a result, a shell construction offer was obtained. Since we currently do not want to spend a four-digit amount for every additional offer nor pay the architect for sending the documents, we obtained the remaining offers ourselves using the building application documents and the geotechnical report. These offers therefore contain a certain degree of uncertainty, which in the end certainly won’t work in our favor. Hence the red line we set at 500k and the question of what we get for it.
 

Dr Hix

2018-09-12 21:04:21
  • #5


According to HOAI, he can only do so if the maximum rate has been contractually agreed upon accordingly. Otherwise, the rule is: No agreement regarding the rates = minimum rate.



If you are already at the tender stage, the architect still owes you the cost calculation from service phase 3. What about that?
 

HilfeHilfe

2018-09-12 22:08:55
  • #6
What a harakiri action. He is taking you for a ride.
 

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