Compacting gravel without a vibrating plate

  • Erstellt am 2023-11-27 10:11:31

WilderSueden

2023-11-28 08:30:25
  • #1
These are palisades, I think that's what you mean by steles. However, as far as I know, steles are actually freestanding

From your description, I still can't completely understand what exactly you are planning.

You have to anchor these in the ground by 1/3 of their height anyway. If set in concrete, it might be a bit less, but I wouldn't really save on that.
 

ateliersiegel

2023-11-28 13:11:52
  • #2
In "my" hardware store, granite stones sized 10 x 25 x 100 centimeters are called "Stelen."

I will lay them flat as the walking surfaces of the steps and - to achieve a reasonable step height - support them a bit from underneath. The "interior" of the staircase will be filled with concrete paving stones. This staircase will then be in front of the approximately 80 cm high terrace. So far, there are a few Ytong stones there... that works too, it's just not as pretty. If I understand it correctly, the method with the gravel as a base is meant to prevent rainwater from collecting between solid stone and dense soil - and shifting the structure when it freezes. If you want to do it "properly," a continuous foundation sits under such a "structure," which does not freeze and shift at a depth of 80 centimeters. That is, for now at least, too much work for me. I consider the risk that frost will cause "real damage" to be small because the staircase - as described - will be a coherent block and will only move as a whole (I believe).

While I am writing about it now, I am weighing whether the effort: a. ordering gravel, moving it down at the house, digging a hole for it, filling it, leveling it, and somehow tamping it differs significantly from the second option: b. digging three 1-meter deep holes, filling in a few buckets of gravel, placing foundation stones in them, and building the staircase on top of that.

Well, that's what we're talking about :)
 

WilderSueden

2023-11-28 13:53:54
  • #3
Ever lifted such a piece? Each stone weighs about 60-70 kilos. If you get the stones there, you can carry a vibrating plate or tamper over. Don’t underestimate frost. The danger is precisely that one part of a wall, etc. moves differently than another, creating stresses. These then relieve at the weakest point, e.g. mortar joints. 10 cm of gravel is definitely much too little if you build a rigid structure on it and you don’t have sandy soil.
 

KarstenausNRW

2023-11-28 14:06:39
  • #4

LOL - nice that you still haven’t answered the question of how you want to set the steps (yes, that is actually what they are called in Bauhaus) by hand.
The "steles" weigh 67 kg each. Standardly, they are either set with power or with an excavator to make it proper:




And the correct construction, so that it actually works in the end, looks as follows:

The most important thing is that you actually build a proper foundation for the lowest step. Otherwise, the entire staircase will quickly shift and get messed up.

P.S. The construction is from EHL for their own block steps, so it is very well transferable to your project.
 

ateliersiegel

2023-11-28 16:45:45
  • #5
Dear Karsten, the construction of the stairs is indeed a topic, but here it was mainly about the possibilities of compacting a gravel base. That is why I did not place much importance on the description of the stairs. The longest granite block that I have moved and built in - also on this terrace - is 2.50 meters long. That was quite elaborate, but it also worked without lifting devices. Just with levers and such tools. (unfortunately I can’t find the photos right now) What I want to say is: I will manage the stairs "somehow". :)
 

xMisterDx

2023-11-28 18:52:00
  • #6
Where is the problem now with 67kg? Lift it once heavily with 2 people, the rest you maneuver into place. You don’t carry the stuff 500m to the neighbor down the street.
 

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