Collection and landfill costs

Hello,

You dare to do something and in my opinion are also a bit naive

Unfortunately, it is the case that earthworks companies like to earn double and triple with the soil. A lot of misuse is done with it. One builder is charged for the removal and disposal of excavation soil, for which more or less dubious weighing tickets, sometimes only handwritten delivery notes, are supposed to serve as proof. A margin is already built in for transport here, and of course imaginary disposal costs are also applied. In fact, the soil, if suitable for backfilling, is simply transported to the next construction site or storage location, to then charge the next builder for delivery and backfill material, which was not only obtained for free from the previous builder but was already charged to him.
I have no problem with everyone wanting to earn something, but such behavior is really brazen and borders on fraud for me.

I do not know where you get your knowledge from – the fact is that only the group of low-cost providers, specifically their subcontractors – here the earthworks contractors – must take this path. Houses are – against better knowledge – increasingly offered at lower prices; mostly at the expense of the executing craftsmen; however, the margin remains largely untouched in the house of the original provider. To achieve a somewhat acceptable result, these craftsmen are forced to make their margin through after-sales. This is exactly as most nationwide operating providers want it. On the one hand, it saves their salespeople the difficult price negotiation, on the other hand, for the above reasons, the craftsman must take on this part. The providers always come out fine, and the subcontractors get the blame for it as a thank you.

However, it is up to each builder – at least in the earthworks trade – to obtain further offers for comparison. Therefore, I do not understand – at least in this point – where the problem should be.

Kind regards

Construction expert, it may be that I have not understood your explanations correctly, but that may also be beside the point.

For me, one thing is certain: if a company charges a customer for removal and landfill fees for the disposal of excavated soil, but does not dispose of the soil and instead resells it as fill material to the next party, then that is double charging and anything but correct.
If the material is reused on another construction site, the company should in fact pay the client from whom it received the material a compensation, or at least only charge for removal and not also for a disposal that does not take place.

Where do I get my knowledge from? Well, from whom else? From civil engineers whom I know personally very well.

Hello,

Where do I get my knowledge from? Well, where else? From civil engineers I know personally very well.

Then ask them where they apply this tactic and where not. And you surely have told them your opinion. Nevertheless, this does not change the fact that you absolutely cannot make this statement in general.

Kind regards

Hello construction expert,

of course, you can't just lump everyone together. Where do you apply this tactic? Everywhere where clients are satisfied with insufficient evidence.
By the way, the BU also tried it with me. With handwritten delivery notes on which estimated tonnages were noted. But I simply don't accept that... either proper weigh slips from the respective soil depot or send the invoice to dear God...

So, I do not want to deform anyone here. Nor do I assume that everything is running correctly.

As a layman, I am confused; I was given cost estimates based on sqm, how is this correctly billed?

Furthermore, in my contract with the BU, the excavation itself is already included, but since there is no storage possibility on the property (how much space does one approximately need for an excavation of around 400 sqm?), it must be transported, deposited, and brought back again.
Now it is about these things, i.e. parking the truck, (loading is practically already "paid for"), removal... (refilling is also already "paid for"), only the delivery is not.

Hilaria

Hello,

So, I don't want to distort anyone here. I still assume that everything is running correctly.

You also shouldn't feel addressed

As a layperson, I'm confused, I was given cost estimates based on sqm, how is the correct billing done?

By cubic meter; length x width x height of the excavation pit, plus allowance for the working space and depending on the necessity for the slope angle.

(how much space does one roughly need for an excavation of about 400 sqm?)

Probably no more than 2 to 2.5 m for the earth mound; deep foundation workers are not fine technicians. For 400 cubic meters, it would require about 20 x 20 m of space.

Best regards