Felix3000
2025-08-03 14:24:22
- #1
Thank you very much for the controversial discussion and the exciting suggestions, which I had hoped for due to the contribution in the forum. I think it is good and sensible to create a list once and then use it as a basis for exchanging experiences with others. Therefore, thanks for the feedback.
However, it is not the case that we are building a house for 750 TEUR, but this is the total sum where I have tried to factor in everything as much as possible. The attentive reader will also have noticed that the sum (Provider 2 in the Excel screenshot) is at 737 TEUR. The 737 TEUR already includes a buffer of 10%, i.e. 58 TEUR. Without the buffer, we are therefore at just under 679 TEUR. In my opinion, 35 TEUR should also be sufficient for the outdoor area, since the plot does not have a slope or similar and part of it can be done by oneself. Also not yet considered are any own services which could possibly also have an effect of -20 TEUR. A few years ago, we completely gutted and rebuilt our apartment by ourselves, so I would trust myself, for example, with painting, laying floors, etc. Overall, however, it was important to me to calculate with a corresponding buffer. It is therefore quite possible that we will ultimately end up at around 650 TEUR including demolition etc.
I cannot quite understand the statements that we are building an "exaggerated place" here. In our district, houses from the 70s are sold for 400 - 600 TEUR—and much renovation is still required there. Realistically, in 2025 it is difficult to build for under 500-600 TEUR (and yes, we have talked to many providers of prefabricated houses, solid houses, etc., and even among acquaintances and friends, no one was able to realize this below the stated amount—mind you, no one built a huge place but everything in the range of 140-160 m²).
If we somehow manage to get the monthly rate towards 2,300-2,400 € and end up at around 675 TEUR, I would consider the project realistic. Construction prices, ancillary construction costs, craftsmanship services, etc., have risen massively in recent years. Of course, we considered saving for a few more years to have more equity—but presumably, this balances out with the continuing rising costs.
However, it is not the case that we are building a house for 750 TEUR, but this is the total sum where I have tried to factor in everything as much as possible. The attentive reader will also have noticed that the sum (Provider 2 in the Excel screenshot) is at 737 TEUR. The 737 TEUR already includes a buffer of 10%, i.e. 58 TEUR. Without the buffer, we are therefore at just under 679 TEUR. In my opinion, 35 TEUR should also be sufficient for the outdoor area, since the plot does not have a slope or similar and part of it can be done by oneself. Also not yet considered are any own services which could possibly also have an effect of -20 TEUR. A few years ago, we completely gutted and rebuilt our apartment by ourselves, so I would trust myself, for example, with painting, laying floors, etc. Overall, however, it was important to me to calculate with a corresponding buffer. It is therefore quite possible that we will ultimately end up at around 650 TEUR including demolition etc.
I cannot quite understand the statements that we are building an "exaggerated place" here. In our district, houses from the 70s are sold for 400 - 600 TEUR—and much renovation is still required there. Realistically, in 2025 it is difficult to build for under 500-600 TEUR (and yes, we have talked to many providers of prefabricated houses, solid houses, etc., and even among acquaintances and friends, no one was able to realize this below the stated amount—mind you, no one built a huge place but everything in the range of 140-160 m²).
If we somehow manage to get the monthly rate towards 2,300-2,400 € and end up at around 675 TEUR, I would consider the project realistic. Construction prices, ancillary construction costs, craftsmanship services, etc., have risen massively in recent years. Of course, we considered saving for a few more years to have more equity—but presumably, this balances out with the continuing rising costs.