We are looking for a house construction company in Hamburg

We built with Kage, by the way.

Hey Did you agree with the price from the offer or were there unpleasant price surprises from Kage?

Hey Did you agree with the price from the offer or were there unpleasant price surprises from Kage?

If you don't have an extravagant style, I think it's okay. You should still plan for 10-20k EUR. It adds up, after all. Large-format tiles laid in a staggered pattern - 500€. Different shower faucet - 500€. Tiled shower in the guest bathroom 1000€ and so on. If you have specific questions, you can send me a private message.

If you have specific questions, you can gladly send me a PM.

Unfortunately, I am not allowed yet. I would very much like to exchange ideas. We have an appointment with Mr. Stabelow (?) on Saturday.

I am unfortunately not allowed yet. I would very much like to exchange. We have an appointment with Mr. Stabelow (?) on Saturday.

I don't know him. After signing, you usually have no further contact with the sellers.

Nice plot size for sure. I would have a surveyor come by for the house if it needs renovation

That is definitely planned.

Why?

We're a bit eco-friendly and think that the ecological footprint will be somewhat smaller. It's more of an emotional reason.

I would have casually mentioned Viebrockhaus here. The houses are definitely 30-40K EUR more expensive than the competition. But in most cases, the work there is clean and precise. Discussions rarely arise, because you already pay for that upfront.

You already wrote it yourself... Let me guess – Viebrockhaus?

Yep
Compared to the suggested house from Kagebau, it's naturally a bit more expensive, but it would also be KfW 40+. We picked out the Maxime 300. Otherwise, is there anything speaking against it from your perspective?

A basement doesn’t work at that price unless you’re renovating an existing property. A basement is not just a basement. First of all, the plain shell costs a lot of money. On top of that come the technical installations, floor construction, painting, etc.

I understand, but just as an idea from someone clueless. Could you possibly demolish the old house, not fill in the hole, dig a new hole, and dump the stuff into the other hole? So to save a bit. We might be able to loosen the budget a bit, but we don’t want to push it far, something has to remain as a buffer.

Our neighbors fit all their technical equipment into 4 sqm. Every installer swore like crazy, but somehow it worked out. You can definitely plan something like that and then you don’t see it at all. Go visit several model home parks and check it out. You can also install the tech in the attic if you absolutely don’t want to see anything. By the way, we built with Kage. It was exhausting toward the end because, in my opinion, the communication between office/site manager/customers is catastrophic. But the guys basically build good houses.

If it were up to me... I’ve only known life in an apartment so far, so this is a huge upgrade, but it’s not up to me. Unfortunately, I only have 49% say.

But you’re not concerned about the technical room. Primarily, it’s the laundry room and a storage place.
I would have simply moved the tech into the basement if that were possible.

Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.

We are a bit eco-friendly and think that the ecological footprint will be somewhat smaller. It’s more of an emotional reason.

Then you shouldn’t build at all but rather stay with the existing building and renovate. What you leave behind during construction you won’t regain with any system... You have to calculate it. Saying generally that 40+ or something else costs extra but can be saved is not correct.

Compared to the house suggested by Kagebau, of course, a bit more expensive, but it would also be KFW 40+. We have chosen the Maxime 300. Is there otherwise anything speaking against it from your point of view?

Nope Viebrockhaus is a top team.

I understand, but just as an idea from someone clueless. Could you maybe tear down the old house, not fill the hole, dig a new hole and dump the stuff into the other hole? Meaning save a bit. We might still be able to loosen up a bit more, but we don’t want to push it; something on the edge needs to remain.

It’s unfortunately not that simple. It already starts with the fact that the requirements for basement rooms in my opinion also have to meet the current energy saving ordinance requirements. So if you build KFW 40, the basement has to correspondingly be like that as well. If you only use it for utility rooms, I’m not quite sure at the moment.
So you tear down the house and have a hole. Then you want to dig a second hole and dump the building rubble into the hole? You also have excavation from the second hole that needs to go somewhere. And it’s not that easy to just dispose of your waste.
The costs for excavation are not necessarily the most expensive. It’s simply the overall package, which ultimately is almost six figures with furnishings, painting, flooring, shell construction, and so on.

If it were up to me... I only know life in an apartment so far, so everything is a huge upgrade, but it’s not up to me. Unfortunately, I only have 49% say.

Then that means taking out a larger loan. With incidental costs etc. you will at least be hitting half a million.

But it’s not about the technical room for you. Primarily it’s the laundry room and storage place.
I would have simply moved the technology into the basement if it were possible.

Technology in the basement is always nice. It doesn’t take up space on the ground floor. For storage purposes, a well-thought-out utility room + kitchen is clearly better than going to the basement every time. For things not needed in the long term, the unfinished attic will do... That comes “free” with the house. Chipboard for the floor is available at the hardware store and for 200-300€ you gain a huge room.
Laundry room as well. There are great solutions for the utility room so you don’t have to invest 100,000 EUR.
The basement has become quite unattractive due to the current energy standards.