Sound insulation VDI Guideline 4100 & DIN 4109 in prefabricated house construction

  • Erstellt am 2020-05-03 21:30:24

MayrCh

2020-05-13 16:47:43
  • #1
If nothing concrete has been agreed upon, what applies is what is approved and introduced by building regulations, i.e., in sound insulation DIN 4109 (version depending on the federal state). Beyond that, what is contractually agreed applies; anything below the requirements of DIN 4109 (version depending on the federal state) is a defect. Basically: The target is what has been agreed upon. If nothing is agreed: state of the art, building authority introduction/approval. Extreme was never mentioned. It means additional effort mainly regarding proper planning, execution, and choice of materials. Very few can/want to afford this "additional effort," which in very rare cases approaches "extreme." Unusual: timber stud wall as party wall. I have only experienced that in solid construction, usually 20cm or 24cm sand-lime brick RDK 2.0. That means to your neighbor you have in total from both party walls not even 130mm of gypsum board/wood fiberboard at a wall thickness of ~360mm? Ambitious. That it yields no more than the minimum requirement is somehow obvious. That can be done; usually the effectiveness is marginal. The "air layer" toward the other semi-detached house is supposed to prevent any structure-borne sound bridges. Which would be catastrophic with this wall construction; therefore, I would rather refrain from polystyrene just to be safe and choose something softer. As long as nothing else is agreed or owed, I would say: minimum requirements, DIN 4109, valid version depending on the federal state.
 

rainario1

2020-05-13 23:42:11
  • #2
Let's see what the GU says if I want a solid communal partition wall. They will surely have a lot of fun with me ... and my wallet even more. What the heck, if we're going for wood studs, better not completely walk into the trap regarding soundproofing to the neighbor...
 

11ant

2020-05-13 23:54:27
  • #3
I see sound insulation there ... ... none listed at all or only represented in the form of decoupling from the neighboring half by the 5 cm "nothing." And the 2x 18 mm plasterboard are supposed to represent the entire fire protection? I suspect: that your house will then become narrower by these 20 cm of concrete or 24 cm of calcium silicate brick.
 

tomtom79

2020-05-13 23:58:49
  • #4
And here we are again Ks like 45 posts ago...
 

rainario1

2020-05-14 00:32:35
  • #5

I have to admit I wasn’t that shocked, I already suspected it.
Correct, point 1 F30B and point 5 F90B.
 

11ant

2020-05-14 00:58:07
  • #6
By the way, I have a growing suspicion that you and your house provider were really talking past each other. The described wall structure seems to me to be the usual construction of the exterior wall, on the shared side of course (assuming that both halves are joined along their full length) less U-value sensitive and without facade plaster. You speak of a "Kommunwand" which, as far as I believe, has not existed in row or semi-detached houses since about 1980. However, you do not seem to mean a fire wall - from which I conclude that you did not actually intend a legal semi-detached house, but rather a two-family house in the form of a semi-detached house with two residential units on one common, not legally divided plot. Then a "prefabricated house" builder will plan a multi-family house with apartment separation walls - here merely "spec'ed up" for their double execution for the purpose of separating the ceiling sections on the one hand and the 5 cm separation joint between the two on the other. I see it as preprogrammed that you will end up with something different than what you think you ordered.
 

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