Recommendation air-water heat pump vs. local near heating network KFW40 new building

  • Erstellt am 2023-10-29 08:16:34

Daniel-Sp

2023-11-12 01:18:26
  • #1
Since you are already informing yourself, I am sure that you will not be happy with the offered battleship. Smaller than 4kW minimum output surely exists and should be installed. If it does not run through at 8°C, it is really not a problem, but below that it should eventually run through. With a minimum of 4kW, this will only succeed at significantly below zero degrees. Large heat pumps often require a higher volume flow; the heat sink must first be able to provide that.
 

dertill

2023-11-13 08:50:40
  • #2

That supports the statement that the 8 kW version is 40% too large. Even with domestic hot water, 5 kW will suffice on 99% of the days. And in that case, the heat pumps have an integrated 3-5 kW heating element that can provide additional heating. Those two hours per year are cheaper than running an oversized heat pump all year round. However, it is important not only to consider the maximum value but especially the minimum value (as you already recognized). At Viessmann there is also no alternative that goes below 2.1 kW. Generally, there are few options. Cycling above 5 degrees is acceptable and only possible otherwise with higher heat demand.

District heating would have the advantage, independent of the price and monopoly discussion, that you wouldn’t have to worry about your heating hydraulics and the installation spacing of your underfloor heating. If in doubt, just turn it up 2-4 degrees higher.
There are surely technical connection conditions from the provider (TABs). These usually also specify transfer stations or types. They usually specify a small buffer to reduce the connection load. Otherwise, only domestic hot water storage tanks.
For district heating, I would look into who operates it and what other networks they have, and check if I can find prices there.
There are municipal/local utility companies that have operational reliability and moderate prices as a service objective in the sense of public provision, and then there is the other kind. This can also be the case with larger operating companies, but usually the rule is: the more private, the less influence you have and the more expensive it usually gets for the customer.

Did he assume that as a heating engineer? On what basis? I would doubt it, but it does not matter for the heat pump choice. The minimum value should be more decisive.

No, you are right, it then starts cycling. But this is the case somewhere with every design. The point should just be as “warm” as possible.
In the control, you can then extend the cycling intervals afterwards by, for example, not heating at night during the transition period or setting long hysteresis times / blocking times.
 

batomek

2024-08-11 13:48:15
  • #3
what decision have you made now?

At the moment I am facing the decision: continue operating a 33-year-old oil heating system or switch to a heat pump (including photovoltaics) or district heating as part of an extension. However, I am completely new to this field and know little about it. Therefore, I would at least be interested in your decision and experience.
 

hanghaus2023

2024-08-12 13:15:13
  • #4
Hello ,

Your example is Andes. You can apply for KFW funding if you install a heat pump. Is there underfloor heating?

What is your offer for district heating?
 

batomek

2024-08-12 13:46:18
  • #5

In the majority of the existing property, there are standard radiators. In a few rooms (hallway, bathroom, parents' kitchen on the ground floor, bathroom in the granny flat), underfloor heating was installed back then. In the new part, which will be connected to the 1st floor via the garage extension, predominantly underfloor heating is planned (so far).

The local heating is being implemented by a local construction company. However, it probably will not be handled through the company but privately by the managing director. At least that's how I understood it.
There are three connection variants that differ according to the capacity to be taken. According to the gentleman, my previous oil consumption of about 4000 liters per year corresponds to category M.
S: Up to 25 KW (€14,500 + VAT)
M: Up to 50 KW (€16,500 + VAT)
L: Up to 100 KW (€19,000 + VAT)
- Usage price 7.5 ct/kWh
- Annual basic fee of €35/KW

Local heating sounds quite "convenient" at first. However, I am afraid of being affected by arbitrary pricing or the discontinuation of the business by private individuals in the medium term.

Heat pumps were always a mystery to me. However, I now find the technology increasingly interesting the more I understand it. Nevertheless, it worries me a little that the property is quite large and has aged (built in 1993).
 

hanghaus2023

2024-08-13 10:24:02
  • #6
do you have a condensing boiler? If not, then probably the best solution is a conversion to condensing technology. The photovoltaic system can't hurt.

4000 liters of heating oil are about 40000 kWh of heating power. With a heat pump, that's about 11,000 kWh electricity consumption. At 30 ct/kWh, that is then 3,300 euros per year. Investment with KfW about 20k

Current heating oil price should be about 1 euro. Ergo 4000 euros.

With a condensing boiler, that is probably 3,000 euros. Investment about 10-15k

District heating is in my opinion the most expensive solution.

Investment 16,500 euros.
Basic fee 50KW * 35 euros is 1750 euros per year
about 40000 kWh * 7.5 ct are 3,000 euros

Altogether that is then 4,750 euros per year

How big is the house?
 

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