Property transfer - how do we do it most skillfully?

  • Erstellt am 2018-12-20 18:06:42

Dr Hix

2018-12-20 22:35:09
  • #1


It should generally be possible. If your brother sells you the entire property, for example, at too low a price, the tax office, as far as I know, does nothing other than declare the difference to the "appropriate" price as a gift and tax it accordingly (at a higher rate). In the best case, it could even work to sell the property at the symbolic price of one euro and have the tax office simply sort it out afterwards. That would probably even save you notary fees ;-)

Your tax advisor should know this exactly, however.
 

Climbee

2018-12-21 09:20:54
  • #2
Thank you very much for the contributions.

A brief clarification:

I don’t earn badly, but €2,100 is not “peanuts” for me, sorry. That’s why I put brainpower into this. €2,100 is not an amount I just take from petty cash without noticing.

According to the tax advisor, it is possible to separate "gift" and "exchange." And I believe her; she has no personal interest, as she is a family friend who supports us like this. I know her as a very experienced and good tax advisor with her own firm. Therefore, I trust what she tells me (she also fought through various legal interpretations especially for this).

A sale below value is tax-wise treated like a "mixed gift," and as already mentioned here: the difference between the lower purchase price and the real purchase price is declared as a gift and taxed accordingly. The tax office is not that stupid; otherwise, everyone would sell below price to avoid taxes.

We don’t want to “cheat” either but only use the existing legal situation in the variant most favorable to us. Unfortunately, we did not get any advice from the notary in this regard. That is to say: “You can do it this way or that way. The advantage here is xy, disadvantage xx. The advantage of the second variant is ab, disadvantage cd. Now you have to decide what is more important to you.” That’s what I had imagined, but unfortunately it was not like that. We left the office and basically had the promise that it would be implemented as discussed (gift and exchange/sale – we presented the proposal to the notary that we had worked out with the tax advisor) only to now hold a contract draft in hand in which this was not implemented accordingly. And with the indefinite feeling that the notary just wanted to make things easier for himself, which only causes us costs. He gets the same anyway.
 

Nordlys

2018-12-21 10:01:46
  • #3
to yosan: You say huh, what is evasion? You buy our house for 100. According to the contract. But you give me 100 officially plus 200 secretly in cash. What did it cost? 100? 300? On what did you pay tax? 100 or 300? So what did you do? Evaded or structured for tax purposes?

to Climbee. Where does the exchange route possibly fail with some value compensation? That is also fiscally favorable and simple. K.
 

Climbee

2018-12-21 10:08:42
  • #4
Exchange is treated for tax purposes like a purchase; so it really does not matter what it is called. We do not really "sell" either, but the value must be stated for tax purposes. In reality, neither my brother pays me anything nor do I pay him.
 

Yosan

2018-12-21 10:30:42
  • #5
Then we were talking past each other. I meant that NOT more is paid than is officially stated in the contract, meaning that I actually only give you 100.
 

Nordlys

2018-12-21 10:31:16
  • #6
to climbee Unfortunately, you are right, the regulations from the land exchange in agriculture unfortunately do not apply to you.....stupid.

to yosan: ok
 

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