Prefab house from 1976 - ready for renovation or demolition?

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Joedreck

2025-02-16 09:45:43
  • #1
To me, this sounds like a project that is great to implement. I myself have renovated two houses that are older.

Basement: the rooms to be heated I would personally insulate professionally from the inside towards the outside. The basement ceiling can remain as is, since it is within the thermal envelope.
The other rooms should receive ceiling insulation. Use PUR or PIR for this, low build-up with good effect.
Equip the living rooms with wall heating.

Ground floor/upper floor: remove everything except plaster and screed. Check if milling in underfloor heating is possible in the screed. If yes, you gain comfort with relatively little work. I would have the installation plan carried out by a specialized engineering office (TGA planner).

I would budget around 25k for the electrical work. Include network and sufficient sockets right away. Also consider possible future electric roller shutters.

Bathrooms: think about water and wastewater. Two bathrooms can be quite expensive if you go all out. Also provide (have installed) wall heating in the bathrooms.

Windows: I have no reference.

Do the top floor ceiling yourself. Lay 2 x 200mm stone wool crosswise. The most difficult part is getting the rolls under the roof.

You can save especially with your own work on: structural work, gutting bathrooms and kitchen, basement ceiling insulation, basement interior insulation, top floor ceiling insulation, filling slots (electrical), pouring the underfloor heating and leveling the floor, small jobs after window replacement etc.

I would wait with the heating system. When everything is done, I would have the room-by-room heating load determined based on the available data and then see what results. With underfloor heating you are prepared for everything. Underfloor heating will cost only slightly more than new radiators. But the flow temperature can be significantly lowered.

With 200k you should manage with some own work. I would probably estimate (major items)
Electrical 25k
Windows 30k
Bathrooms 50k including water/wastewater
Insulation 5k
Underfloor heating including connection 10k
I don’t want to estimate the kitchen because it is not value-increasing and thus a consumer good

Many small things will still be added. But especially outside labor is expensive. Even though own work is often doubted here, I can say from my own experience that it can pay off financially. And these are not jobs for which you have to be an absolute professional. You have to be diligent and able to endure muscle soreness.
 

tomzonkk

2025-02-16 19:31:02
  • #2
Thank you very much for the assessment! Living in the basement is indeed not planned, but the offices are spatially necessary. What do you think of the solution in the comment below, to insulate the "inhabited" basement rooms not through the ceiling, but towards the exterior walls?
 

tomzonkk

2025-02-16 19:32:52
  • #3

Thanks to you too for this assessment! I find the tip about the heating very good. Hopefully, the energy consultant will also make this suggestion; ideally, in this order, an oversized heat pump can be avoided.
 

nordanney

2025-02-16 21:09:38
  • #4
Feasible if planned sensibly. But insulate the ceiling anyway.
 

Joedreck

2025-02-17 09:48:36
  • #5
Please explain this. Within a thermal envelope, rooms are generally not insulated against each other. After all, you also do not insulate the living room ceiling against the room above on the upper floor.
 

nordanney

2025-02-17 10:16:04
  • #6
Since I assume that a) the basement, when used as an office (and other heated or heatable rooms used as storage, etc.), is not regularly heated like genuine living space, and b) the floor slab is more or less uninsulated and will remain so, I would thermally separate these rooms in the basement. The thermal envelope at least leaks downward, and that becomes noticeable.
 

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