Is a brine-water heat pump still worthwhile with KfW 40+?

  • Erstellt am 2021-12-06 10:36:37

Tom1978

2021-12-06 17:12:06
  • #1


For us, no extra price. Normally in advance, about 50% of the deep drilling.

In advance, in KW 2 2022 the groundwork for collectors will begin. The collectors are stacked on top of each other. As far as I remember, the dimensions are 25m length x 4m width. They are buried about 80 cm deep. Above that, a drainage system is laid to increase efficiency. The pump is the latest from Bosch (Compress 7800i LMW). There is also a tempering system.
 

hampshire

2021-12-06 17:14:47
  • #2

That's exactly what I think too. Generation is becoming cheaper, storage as well (and simultaneously more effective).
Why it will be more expensive at first lies in the mechanics of the Renewable Energy Act surcharge and the massive exemptions from it (the surcharge is simply paid by too few consumers and is therefore far too high).
In the long term, energy will become cheaper again. The transition period now is simply expensive.
(Please do not generalize from energy to other resources – some things are simply becoming scarce and expensive...)
 

Hangman

2021-12-06 17:20:47
  • #3
We have a ground-source heat pump for aesthetic reasons... presumably one is not allowed to recalculate :oops:

Even if the "heat" coefficient of performance of a ground-source heat pump is systemically clearly advantageous at very cold temperatures, it is the case that a relatively large proportion of electricity is needed for pumps & co in the overall system – and that then influences the overall coefficient of performance again in favor of the air-to-water heat pump. The ratio of auxiliary electricity to heat output is all the less favorable the lower the heating/hot water load is... and 2x 95sqm KfW40 will certainly be very low (is there already a calculation?). And then there is the question of what actually creates the greatest heating demand on an annual average: the few days at -10°C outside temperature, or the several months around 0°C?

The additional costs of a ground-source heat pump would certainly be more economically invested in clean planning and execution as well as a possibly large photovoltaic system. Unless one has the same outdoor unit allergy as we do ;)
 

Benutzer200

2021-12-06 17:31:41
  • #4
Of course simplified. But the difference will not increase massively, since both heat pumps run on electricity. And whether I recoup the additional investment in 35 years or 60 years does not matter in the end. The bigger the house and the lower the surcharge or if there can be a ground collector, the more interesting the brine-water heat pump becomes. But in a normal house with a surcharge of €5k, you are already far from an economically sensible decision. As I said, I also had a brine-water heat pump with deep drilling. Without an outdoor unit and with a strong selling point when we sold the place. It was also 300 sqm to heat...
 

hampshire

2021-12-06 17:51:47
  • #5


There should be a laughing face here. Joyfully ignoring economic efficiency is part of everyday human life.

    [*]Ever eaten out?
    [*]Bought a piece of clothing that serves not only to warm and cover? (Or shoes...)
    [*]Bought the most economical vehicle?
    [*]Taken a vacation?
    [*]Given someone a gift?

Enjoy the missing outdoor unit – I find exactly such decisions practical for life – at least in private life.
 

009_frank

2021-12-06 18:42:31
  • #6
Very interesting. I think that if we decide on a brine-water heat pump, then trench collectors (or possibly baskets, for which I have not yet found anything useful) would be an option. We could do the excavation work ourselves, which would already be somewhat cheaper than drilling. Unfortunately, there is no precise calculation for the heating load/DHW load yet.
 

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